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Doddy
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Message 16 of 53 (381747)
02-01-2007 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Greatest I am
02-01-2007 9:55 PM


Re: Good and evil
Greatest I am writes:
I said God would be happy with their lifestyle.
I doubt it. Do you suppose that we are doing anything differently than the people of Noah's day, who were so displeasing to God that they were destroyed in a flood? Or the entire population of the world, who were so caught up in sin that the only way God could get them out was to send Jesus as a sacrifice?
Greatest I am writes:
Thank you for the quotes, now lets return to the fact that more people do more good more of the time than on the evil side.
No they don't. Bible says they don't.
Besides, most Christians would say that it only takes one sin, that you don't repent, to keep you out of heaven. Unlike in Islam, where the balance of good and evil is weighed and the ones that have more good than bad are allowed into paradise, in Christianity the main theme is that nobody gets into heaven without repenting ALL their sins and looking to Jesus for forgiveness.
Greatest I am writes:
As far as being born a sinner, I have had the opportunity to look upon the face of one of these young newborn sinners. Did not see a sin there.
Who cares what you saw? The bible says all humans are sinners, so they are. End of story. Unless, you don't believe the Bible...

"Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer

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Greatest I am
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Message 17 of 53 (381758)
02-01-2007 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Doddy
02-01-2007 9:15 PM


Re: Good and evil
Did you hear what you said. Bible says they don't.
It does not tell you to look outside does it.
If most Christians say that they do not reach Heaven because of the reasons you stated then they are fools.
The Bible is our best road map to Heaven.
Let's read it for the first time.
Regards
DL

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anastasia
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Message 18 of 53 (381778)
02-01-2007 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Greatest I am
02-01-2007 9:35 PM


Re: Good and evil
GreatestIam writes:
God controls evil in the world in the same way He controls everything else, with Perfection.
So, where is the problem? Why pray for evil?
God is pleased with our life-styles, too many people pray for good, we are perfect, etc. All of what you say is different from anyone else's idea of the Bible, and would make you no longer Christian. Yet, you have a very Catholic view about praying for your own suffering.
Please remember that being willing to suffer, and even to suffer in the place of someone else, say, a child, is not the same as praying for evil. I see no good reason to pray for evil, and you have not even proved that we should. You have said many times that everything is going perfectly.

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Greatest I am
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Message 19 of 53 (381788)
02-01-2007 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by anastasia
02-01-2007 9:58 PM


Re: Good and evil
You are right the word pain might have been better. An evil still but it give a better ides of my meaning.
I did mention a balance. This balance is not stagnant it is always in flux. Like the ocean. Always in motion yet always controlled.
If a million people prayed as suggested, lets say for a week. The hope is that God will apply this + of positive and apply it where He will. And He will. Singly to remove small pain here and there or collectively to stop a tsunami.
This is the hope.
Regards
DL

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Doddy
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Message 20 of 53 (381790)
02-01-2007 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Greatest I am
02-01-2007 9:35 PM


Re: Good and evil
Greatest I am writes:
It does not tell you to look outside does it.
The Bible says nothing on this issue.
The Bible does say that all people do evil, and gives the impression that there is more evil in the world than good. So, believing the opposite - that people are not evil as often as they are good - is not the same as thinking you can't go outside.
Greatest I am writes:
If most Christians say that they do not reach Heaven because of the reasons you stated then they are fools.
You should ask other Christians about it. How many sins do you have to commit to miss out on heaven? I think you'll find the answer is contained in these verses:
1 Cor. 6:9-10
quote:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You only need one of those, and you're out. One strike, and you're gone. And, because all people do at least one sin, then the only way to get out of it is to repent that sin and get forgiveness. That's what the Bible says.
Edited by Doddy Curumehtar, : No reason given.

"Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer

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Greatest I am
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Message 21 of 53 (381794)
02-01-2007 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Doddy
02-01-2007 10:26 PM


Re: Good and evil
Repentance is what I feel for the tone of my previous reply. It is important for salvation.
If God is any God at all, I'm sure that He has made sure that there is not a batch of souls in His back forty to remind Him He is not perfect.
On the contrary He has made us all Perfect. Otherwise you will have to tell me when He lost His Perfection.
Regards
DL

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Doddy
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Message 22 of 53 (381796)
02-01-2007 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Greatest I am
02-01-2007 10:38 PM


Re: Good and evil
Greatest I am writes:
On the contrary He has made us all Perfect. Otherwise you will have to tell me when He lost His Perfection.
You are overlooking something. It may be that God did make us perfect, and God didn't lose His perfection, but we did. That would be the little event called "The Fall of Man".

"Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer

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anastasia
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Message 23 of 53 (381802)
02-01-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Greatest I am
02-01-2007 10:12 PM


Re: Good and evil
GreatestIam writes:
If a million people prayed as suggested, lets say for a week. The hope is that God will apply this + of positive and apply it where He will. And He will. Singly to remove small pain here and there or collectively to stop a tsunami.
How shall we pray? Not for good, not evil, but for the plan of God to be fulfilled. 'Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done'.
I believe that God can apply all of our prayers as positive + and yes, it is good not to be selfish when we are praying. I agree that asking for money, happiness, husbands, is good, but can not replace praying for peace, for love, for security for the entire world.
When I was younger I was taught a way of praying by my mother;
A. Adoration
C. Contrition
T. Thanksgiving
S. Supplication
We pray to adore, then for repentance, then to thank God, and very last, to ask for things. All of our prayers are on the + side.
T
S

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Taz
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Message 24 of 53 (381804)
02-02-2007 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Greatest I am
02-01-2007 9:58 PM


Re: Good and evil
GIA writes:
Overall populations are rising.
Ok, I'll take that for now.
More search God.
Actually, I'm confused to which god you are referring to. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. At this rate, within 20-30 years it will surpass christianity as the most populace religious group in the world.

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Greatest I am
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Message 25 of 53 (381846)
02-02-2007 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Doddy
02-01-2007 10:44 PM


Re: Good and evil
There was no fall.
It was a glorious departure into adventure following mans nature just as God intended. Not the easy path of languishing in the garden getting fat and staying un-educated. Thank God. Who among us would take the easy road to nowhere. We are not in a 'fall short' situation. We are in a leap far situation. If man was not choosing perfectly, all the time , we, the world would not be progressing as nicely as we are even with all the problems that assail a minority.
A prophets is surely needed when a large majority of all churches are false prophets who en masse preach a sermon of exclusion instead of one of inclusion. Satan’s work, dividing Christians of all stripe with policies where all go to Hell except a choice few. Satan at work if you ask me.
God made man in His Image. This speaks not to God’s physical image alone but also His mental image. Able to perceive good and evil. Like God Himself, we are not slackers.
It is a fact that most of us know good from evil to certain levels of individual development.
Only God knows if any individual act of what we see as evil, is truly evil, because only He knows the full context of this individual ,what to us, is an evil act.
On our perception of human nature. We base human nature at present on what occurs in our brains and minds. These produce consciousness. Or is it the unconsciousness. Or is it the id. Or the super-consciousness. Get it.
God is rejoicing in our progress. He would not place systems in place that would produce grief for Himself. Now that would be dumb.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 26 of 53 (381847)
02-02-2007 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Taz
02-02-2007 12:06 AM


Re: Good and evil
Nice of them to line up so nicely for absorption in the end time.
The Islamic Bible to me is inferior to the Bible of Jesus.
Regards
DL

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Taz
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Message 27 of 53 (381989)
02-02-2007 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Greatest I am
02-02-2007 9:36 AM


Re: Good and evil
GIA writes:
The Islamic Bible to me is inferior to the Bible of Jesus.
Just so you know, it's called the Koran, or Qu'ran. Have you read it?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 28 of 53 (382004)
02-02-2007 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
01-30-2007 12:12 PM


Praying for evil
Why would you need to pray for evil when that is the prevailing disposition as it is?
Ever heard the adage that its easier to do the wrong thing than the right thing? I think that applies to life in general.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Taz
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Message 29 of 53 (382032)
02-02-2007 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Hyroglyphx
02-02-2007 8:31 PM


Re: Praying for evil
NJ writes:
Ever heard the adage that its easier to do the wrong thing than the right thing?
Ever since I found out that you require daily methane injections in order to live while I only need to breathe air to oxygenate my red blood cells to live, I've been convinced that there is nothing in common between us. I'm glad to know we've finally found a common ground

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 30 of 53 (382039)
02-02-2007 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Taz
02-02-2007 10:01 PM


Re: Praying for evil
Ever since I found out that you require daily methane injections in order to live while I only need to breathe air to oxygenate my red blood cells to live, I've been convinced that there is nothing in common between us. I'm glad to know we've finally found a common ground
Hmmmmm, yeah I didn't really understand that. Can you explain it to me?

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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