Will I see Hitler in heaven?

Try the 4th amendment if you can say your ideals here then "we the people" can too. You are why nazi"s are marching in the U.S.. When so many died to stop them. If The Critic is unable to speak then Heil Hitler.

I wouldn't mind but CK is a moral relativistGo figure.

I don't think there is fairness here. You expect others to accept your religious beliefs, or factionalism as we see, some orthodox some not. So if another has a different belief than yours you get upset. I do not think this is a good topic to discuss unless you are willing to be intelligent and fair. I don't like evil so any one who says there is a devil will be harmed by my statement? Religious beleifs are hardened acts of faith, not all based on tangible evidence. The bible is written by men and they have written their beliefs ,history, interaction with creatures we don't seem to see. Now let's try fair because I'm not one of those people who are biased against others because of their beliefs. If I follow the commandments and you do not ,I don't think that you should be discluded from heaven. Remember everything they tell you about a wilderness full of this everyday life, so I don't think that just because you have hardened veiws to guard your own faith that you should impose them on someone else.

After thinking a lot about The Critic's message, I have come to the conclusion that his lifetime suspension is unwarranted.The fact that he is a complete dick shouldn't mean that he gets a ban for his beliefs.If he sincerely believes these reasons then why should he get banned just because it makes us normal folk feel physically sick?One of the aims of EvC is to educate people, and I think the Critic really needs to be educated, especially on his knowledge of the Bible.His views are repulsive yes, and I have heard this justified punishment of the Jews argument from Christians before (not many I must add), but just because we think he has gross beliefs, and who is to say he isn't accurate, we shouldn't ban him any more than Iano should be banned for being a bigot. It is just the way they are, incomprehensible stances for normal people to comprehend, but they are entitled to them.Brian.

Well, Mr Critic,This is not a 'free speach' board, and hate speach is hate speach.

You should take that to the moderation thread.

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If Nazis are marching in america - that's for that americans to sort out - what's it to do with me?

Are you sure this is Mr. Critic? The joining time is suspicious, but Kid Oh No is writing posts that are comprehensible, while Mr. Critic doesn't seem to be able to.

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"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
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I've been thinking about your reply and as we are discussing things that there is no answer for in this life it is not easy knowing how to respond but I'll give it a shot. How do we know that evil is being given a free hand? Maybe there are restraints on evil, but from our human perspective we can't know that they exist. In the final analysis when we consider human history, good has triumphed over evil based on the fact that we are still here. As a Christian I also believe that goodness triumphs because there is a balancing of accounts in the life after this one.We see a great deal of evil in the world but that is by our measurement. Why is it that we are even able to recognize evil in a person such as Hitler and pass judgement on the degree of evil? You say that evil has a free hand but I think you're wrong based on the notion that if evil actually had a free hand, we would not see evil as evil at all.Although I agree that we can spiral down into depravity we can also aspire to and achieve great acts of self sacrifice born out of the gift of love that we have been given. Great acts of evil make headlines, but great acts of love usually go unnoticed. I think that if you disregard the media and just look at the world around you, the goodness that there is far outweighs the evil. In a sense sexual lust and blood lust are one and the same. They are both ways of using someone else for some hoped for satisfaction of the self. When it comes down to it, that is what I believe that we are all about. What we are is based on the choices that we make. Do we choose love of self, which is an adulterated love, or do we choose love in its pure unadulterated form.Again as a Christian I believe that God has built sanctity of life into the creation as I see physical life as only being the embryonic stage of our real life.As for the free will question I have to disagree. I don't see how we would be able to choose goodness and love if we didn't have the ability to choose evil and hatred, and be able to recognize the difference.Thanks for the reply and the chance to respond.Edited by GDR, : Left out a word some howEdited by GDR, : No reason given.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

Pesimism is he almost really ain't?

Definitely.

Reference luke 22:34, 22:56-59
These passages have to do with the denial of christ. So I said of you to deny someone any manner of right, you do not allow them those things given unto them by the law. In tossing The Critic that's what the christians did. What if he was african american, how many rights would have been taken because you refuse to do the christian thing and educate.They did what the high priest did in the following passages of that chapter.Look at Exodus 1:11-22,31:7-8,32:10,32:14.
In 32:35, apparently smoten means beaten,afflicted. II samuel 20:10 Amasa is dead sfter being smitten. I chronicles 21:1-7 70k dead by I chronicle 21:14. Between leviticus and Numbers and said murder of Jesus. I think more thought should have been used to refute that persons statements. Looking at the adversity to the will of god posed not only by jews, perhaps earlier statements of inquiring should be entertained.
Genisis 3:1 is a first sign of evil. Satan according to jews is an adversary. Numbers 22:22 is about the first spiritual sighting. Zech 3:1 is about use of such thing but is unuseful in Zech 3:2. There is Job 1, and Job 2. The Critic's statements don't seem that far from the truth. Let's throw in the many times that this creature visited upon jesus and begin to understand that if it has a home in heaven then if you want to see hitler, you've got good odds to inquire.

It seems that I may have spoken too soon.

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-- Ernie Cline

If you're going to use scripture references, please quote them. Don't just cite them - most people won't bother to look them up and your point will be lost.Also, try using paragraphs.

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Thanks for the reply, GDR. I appreciate the tenets of faith you have outlined, but for the unbeliever (agnostic or atheist), they are inescapably circular--you answer questions about reconciling what we see of the world with belief in a particular sort of deity with your faith in that deity. Again, I understand that your faith answers those questions adequately for you, but to an unbeliever this merely begs the question. My central point here was that the freedom to will evil has been coupled with a largely unrestrained power to do evil to each other--which seems unnecessary for the theological purposes ascribed to free will. If the expression of our sovereign will is so important, then why should one person's will to evil preclude other peoples' opportunity to express their own sovereign will?As the topic title suggests, Hitler might have repented and been saved at the last moment, while many of the millions he killed were deprived of that chance at redemption. Outside of belief, it is difficult to reconcile that calculus.If we accept the premise of a Creator, then the human capacity to do evil--as opposed to the human capacity to freely choose evil--was prescribed by that Creator. The Christian view of free will seems to be that we must be able to choose Evil or our ability to choose Good would be meaningless. That does have a certain amount of theo-logic but it does not address the power to enact that evil.How many infants' blood does a man need on his hands before he has demonstrated his choice? If sin is sin, if the will to evil, like lust in the heart, is already a sin, then why must so many people continue to suffer for what he has already demonstrated? What further purpose is accomplished? A murderer can freely enact his will to evil over and over, but one murder--or even his desire to murder--would seem adequate, theologically speaking.Our power has limits that our will does not. Those limits could have been drawn anywhere, but they were drawn to specifications that both permit great suffering and preclude the free choices of others.Thus, to accept the theological argument for the necessity of free will, it seems to me, merely moves the point of contention from the question of why God permits freely willed evil to the question of why God allows the enactment of freely willed evil and provided it such ample scope. When you note that there may be constraints beyond our ken, I again hear the reply of "Mystery."I understand that your faith gives you answers that satisfy a believer, but an unbeliever stands outside that circle.

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