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What benefit would it be for me to renounce God and creation
and embrace Atheism and evolution?

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That is a false dichotomy.You don't have to renounce god and creation in order to accept the evidence for Evolution.Atheism is not required to accept the ToE.

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For that matter what benefit is derived by anyone choosing Atheism and Evolution over God and Creation?

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Again, false dichotomy.But leaving aside the issue of Atheism, the reason to accept the evidence for evolution is because it is the truth about how life has changed on Earth.(AbE) It is for the same reason you should accept the Germ Theory of Disease, the Atomic Theory of Matter, or the Theory of a Heliocentric Solar System. The evidence is so strong that to not accept it is to deny reality. To self-delude. To be so willfully ignorant as to be peverse.But let me just cut to the chase, again.I asked you the following question in this message in the "How can Biologists believe in the ToE" thread: Thanks in advance for your response in the other thread.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

Do you accept the Germ Theory of Disease?Do you accept the Atomic Theory of Matter?Do you accept the Theory of a Heliocentric Solar system?All of these scientific theories contradict the Bible, too.

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I don't think at 9 years old I would have been thinking of personal gain.

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Nine year old kids are some of the most selfish creatures that exist.

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I would rather have these things and be ignorant and unlearned and go into Heaven and spend eternity there.

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Than: To be the most knowledgeable person cast into the lake of fire to suffer forever.

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So, you seem to be saying that your God punishes people who are curious and knowledgeable about nature and rewards people who are willfully ignorant about nature.Nice.

Thanks! It is something a friend sent me a while ago, and I don't know who won.From the looks of it, the kitty did.

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That is why I have spent most of my life searching for the truth.

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Honestly, ICANT, I have not seen you do anything of the kind here.Rather, I have seen you repeatedly and strenuously protect your beliefs from any examination whatsoever, even resorting to embracing and glorifying willful ignorance if that's what it takes to keep them intact and pristine.

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No nator you said that.

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I said God will cast everyone who does not trust in Him into the lake of fire where they will suffer forever.

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No, you said something very different.You said:(bolding added by me for emphasis)

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I would rather have these things and be ignorant and unlearned and go into Heaven and spend eternity there.

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Than: To be the most knowledgeable person cast into the lake of fire to suffer forever.

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You very clearly said that you would rather choose to be ignorant because you would be rewarded by your god with heaven for remaining so.You mentioned nothing at all about "trusting" in god. You were talking about knowledge and how having "too much" could bring god's wrath down upon us.

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I have nothing against education I did go to college.

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Well, you do have a big problem with all of the life sciences, seeing as you reject them all without knowing much about them.

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And I have stated that I am here still trying to learn.

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To be honest, ICANT, I don't see that you are really trying to learn here.I see instead that you are mostly trying very hard to protect and maintain your faith-based ignorance.Again, I'd really like you to answer the very simple question I posed to you in this post. I promise you that the resulting discussion, regardless of the answer you give, will go a long way toward helping you to learn. Edited by nator, : No reason given.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Yes I do have a big problem with some aspects of the sciences simply because they are conjecture and mans beliefs. All the stuff espoused here is not science.

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Forgive me, but you wouldn't know what science was if it bit you on the arse.Do you believe that Biologists just sit around and make shit up? Do you think they just make wild guesses about the nature of Earth's life every day and then knock off early to go watch Wheel of Fortune?Do you think that Biologists are stupid, or incompetent at doing science?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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If I believe that man evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where, how or why it exists in a Universe that came from an infinitely small nothing, I have to discard the Bible completely therefore there is no God that created the heavens and the earth and everything in it.

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That is so sad.Can you really see no Truth in the Bible beyond a list of events?

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I think when people around here use the shorthand "faith-based ignorance", they mean using your faith as a shield to protect your ignorance.

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Yep!

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I understand them to mean that my faith in God is ignorance,
And that I should be an atheist.

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You would be wrong about that, at least in my case.

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God nowhere in the Bible claims to be a poet.

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1) So you are the one who decides what God can and can't be?2) He doesn't claim to be a scientist in the bible, either.

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Who said He did?

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You are the one saying that you believe the Bible in scientific matters over the actual science, so, you did.(Plan on addressing the other sentence in my post?)

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How does me stating that God nowhere in the Bible claims to be a poet
make me the one deciding what God can or can't be?

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I'm sorry.Perhaps I misunderstood.How silly of me to conclude that when someone suggested to you that the God of the Bible is a poet who used parable to instruct us, and you responded by writing, "God nowhere in the Bible claims to be a poet.", you meant to say that you did not think that God was a poet.Perhaps you can tell me what you really meant.OTOH, I suppose it is your position that the Song of Solomon, a good portion of the book of Job, and the Psalms are not the Word of God, then?

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Because you believe it is a poetic alegory you are saying He can't be God.

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That is not what anyone has suggested.We are saying that if Genesis is a poetic allegory it does not diminish God at all, and in fact makes His Word even more meaningful.Have you really reduced the Bible to be nothing more than a dry list of events to be catalogued and blindly believed?Taken as allegory, Genesis is a richly symbolic and meaningful lesson about God's relationship to man and to the universe.Taken as literal fact, it is just a list of stuff that God did which you have stripped of any greater or wider meaning.But since you mention it, can you explain how it is that God created "day" and "night" before he created the sun?Edited by nator, : No reason given.