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johnfolton 
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Message 121 of 140 (380640)
01-28-2007 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by iceage
01-28-2007 5:26 AM


Re: (Lev. 25) an AMNESTY on debt
It does not qualify that with "unless you can concoct a really good conspiracy theory".
I thought I did Lincoln, Jackson, Kennedy, and Johnson. The 501c3 silencing the churches, Johnson immediately doing the opposite that Kennedy proposed in respect to the Federal Notes.
You are worried about some corruption and foreign influences? just what the hell do think Caesar represented in Jesus's day?
Were a soveriegn nation its believed that it would only cost 540 million dollars to get out of the contract. The problem is this imaginary debt of near 8 trillion dollars based on nothing. Who are these foreign bankers, does anyone know.
I suppose when the anti-christ forces the mark can only happen until after he has the whore burned. The anti-christ in the flesh to the conspiracy it will cease to be a shadow but a person (666). Then all not raptured will have to chose between the devil and God. Life for death or Death for life in Christ. This will be an opporturnity (right?)to be martyred as a witness in respect to the faith.
We know the victory is Christs, cause he is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end. For the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy , etc... kjv 19:10

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Message 122 of 140 (380641)
01-28-2007 6:15 AM
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01-28-2007 5:57 AM


Render onto Caesar
Christ plainly said give unto Caesar.
Who are these foreign bankers, does anyone know.
Who cares from a Christian perspective. Caesar represented an overtly oppressive foreign power and Jesus commanded give to Caesar what is asked.
charley writes:
This will be an opportunity (right?)to be martyred as a witness in respect to the faith.
Makes me shiver anytime i here someone looking forward to being a martyr.
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Message 123 of 140 (380642)
01-28-2007 6:23 AM
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01-28-2007 5:36 AM


No Place to Lay His Head
iceage writes:
Wasn't Christ Kingly? and he had "No Place To Lay His Head".
charley writes:
Its about the son of mans accension into heaven, he "has" no place to lay his head.
"Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
Christ is highlighting his homelessness status. He was not talking about ascension.
Christ plainly preached selling all and emphasized it repeatedly as if to stress it and some work overtime to avoid that.
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Message 124 of 140 (380647)
01-28-2007 7:25 AM
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01-28-2007 3:01 AM


Re: Servants Heart
Myself I'm quite poor at the moment can not afford health insurance but will try to do whatever I can to keep myself not a burden to others. Its probably the best because I can go to the free clinic if need be get free food at the food pantry.
Yes, yes, you are so poor that you can spend oodles of time online.
That aside, who provides your free clinic access? Your food? Providing that both of these services are church based (which I highly doubt...the clinic at least), why are you less of a "burden" when church folk provide you with care instead of taxpayers?
P.S. Everyone is a burden to others in this country. I do not drive (anymore) but my taxes go towards road maintenance and building new highways. I do not support our current wars in the Middle East, but tons of my money goes towards it (just like you seem not to support helping the poor thru taxes). I do not support our government supporting religious organizations, but your saint Bush funneled alot of tax dollars to "faith based" organizations.
But I pay my taxes because my nieces and nephews and cousins and friends' kids go to public schools. Because I ride public transportation. Because I can call 911 in an emergency. Because I can call 311 (NY services) when my heat is out and my landlord refuses to fix it. Etc. Etc.
I willingly help people thru social services and out of own pocket without bitching about "burdens"...and I'm not even a Christian...

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johnfolton 
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Message 125 of 140 (380681)
01-28-2007 12:01 PM
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01-28-2007 6:23 AM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
"Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
Christ is highlighting his homelessness status. He was not talking about ascension.
I take it more from prophecy that though the scribe meant well that I will follow thee "whithersoever" thou goest. Jesus was not saying to the scribe not to follow him in the now but that "whithersoever" was not possible in the land of the living in respect to his ascension.
Which is why the apostle Paul said absent from the body present with the Lord. kjv john 17:24 & 2 Co 5:8
kjv Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven.
kjv Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
kjv 3 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-christ.
kjv revelation 1:18 I'm he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Christ plainly preached selling all and emphasized it repeatedly as if to stress it and some work overtime to avoid that.
No, its not the money persay but the love of money that is the root of all evil.
Why does being martyred for Christ give you the shivers surely you understand absent from the body present with the Lord. Its not like the Muslim counterfeits that kill others and themselves.
Being martyred is about keeping the faith when someone ask you are you a Christian. Is this not a bit similar to the richman sererio, would you be willing to die for your faith? If someone says were going to lop off your head if you don't renounce your faith. This is what its all about faith in Christ is it not? and what will you say, etc...Martydom is it not the bottom line kjv rev 20:4 in respect to witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, etc...
kjv Timothy 6:10 For the love of money "is the root" of all evil; which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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johnfolton 
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Message 126 of 140 (380686)
01-28-2007 12:24 PM
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01-28-2007 7:25 AM


Re: Servants Heart
That aside, who provides your free clinic access? Your food? Providing that both of these services are church based (which I highly doubt...the clinic at least), why are you less of a "burden" when church folk provide you with care instead of taxpayers?
I have not went to the free clinic too much into holistic medicine the free stuff as mentioned within the Word. Actually I'm not a burden to the churches. The free food is your tax dollars.
I willingly help people thru social services and out of own pocket without bitching about "burdens"...and I'm not even a Christian...
I'm not a fan of social services they too me are quite a burden. Don't spank a child or bring forth the wrath or the Social Service Gestapo's. If people would be allowed to spank their child you wouldn't need super nanny shows which too me is disrespectful to the parents authority.
Does not God says spare the rod spoil the child, that the man is the head of the house not the child, the wife is subject to the husband but that all are subject to Christ.
Is this not why a new bill is being proposed by the democrats to making spanking child abuse. Its contrary to the Word but thats nothing new coming from the liberal mindset. When Christ returns the millinium rule righteousness will once again reign from Jerusalem. He will not spare the rod, right? Thats prophecy etc...
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 127 of 140 (380740)
01-28-2007 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by johnfolton
01-28-2007 3:01 AM


Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
Charley:
To me its more about having a servants heart.
Sure it is. As long as fundies have a 'servant's heart,' it's okay for them to pile up a king's ransom and hoard it all for themselves without even having to pay taxes on it.
Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.

They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them.
Matthew 23.2 NRSV
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johnfolton 
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Message 128 of 140 (380758)
01-28-2007 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Archer Opteryx
01-28-2007 4:58 PM


Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
Sure it is. As long as fundies have a 'servant's heart,' it's okay for them to pile up a king's ransom and hoard it all for themselves without even having to pay taxes on it.
Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.
Your taking the verses out of context, some are called to be kings.
kjv Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Sure it is. As long as fundies have a 'servant's heart,' it's okay for them to pile up a king's ransom and hoard it all for themselves without even having to pay taxes on it.
I don't agree with the hoarding part, never thought much of the prosperity gospel.
They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them.
Matthew 23.2 NRSV
The IRS is not the state but foreign bankers (identity unknown ?) that are responsible for the violation of the churches constitutional rights. Its supposed to be separation of the church from the state.
Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.
Kent never signed the 501c3 perhaps those here hate Kent so because he did not sign the 501c3. Caesar was a man who is the man ahead of the Federal Reserve thats in control of Ben Bernanke. No man then no Caesar its not a government its simply foreign bankers that have forced America to fill the Infidels Bankbook.
Making a church a corporation violates the constitutional rights of the church its an end run around the separation of church and state in the constitution because its forcing the church to be bound by the heavy bondage of man's law.
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It is time for Christians to wake up and turn back to God. We need to turn to the Lord and repent of our sins that we have committed against Him. We need to ask for forgiveness of tolerating idolatry that removes His Sovereignty over His Church. To see that the Church is in grave danger we must have a clear understanding of what a corporation is. We also need to realize what the courts have ruled about corporations and that a corporation has no rights, only privileges, granted by the "estate." To become a corporation removes the authority of the Lord over a corporate church and puts it under the bondage of man's law.
http://www.guymalone.com/501c3church.htm
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Message 129 of 140 (380783)
01-28-2007 7:52 PM
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01-28-2007 6:27 PM


Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
archer writes:
Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.
charley writes:
Kent never signed the 501c3 perhaps those here hate Kent so because he did not sign the 501c3. Caesar was a man who is the man ahead of the Federal Reserve thats in control of Ben Bernanke. No man then no Caesar its not a government its simply foreign bankers that have forced America to fill the Infidels Bankbook.
As usual Archer does a nice job of summarizing.
Charley you now being disingenuous. The use of Caesar was a representation of the Roman Gov't. Again Caesar represented a foreign oppresive and corrupt (by today's standards) goverment. Regardless what crackpot theories you have about taxes they are still taxes.

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johnfolton 
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Message 130 of 140 (380813)
01-28-2007 10:31 PM
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01-28-2007 7:52 PM


Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
Charley you now being disingenuous. The use of Caesar was a representation of the Roman Gov't. Again Caesar represented a foreign oppresive and corrupt (by today's standards) goverment.
Your missing the whole point its not about Caesar for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. kjv ephesians 6:12

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Message 131 of 140 (380820)
01-28-2007 11:27 PM
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01-28-2007 12:01 PM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
iceage writes:
"Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
Christ is highlighting his homelessness status. He was not talking about ascension.
charley writes:
I take it more from prophecy that though the scribe meant well that I will follow thee "whithersoever" thou goest. Jesus was not saying to the scribe not to follow him in the now but that "whithersoever" was not possible in the land of the living in respect to his ascension.
I suggest you lay off the prophecy and listen to the word and context. If he was talking abouit prophecy why would he contrast his position against the foxes and birds? This is absurd.
iceage writes:
Christ plainly preached selling all and emphasized it repeatedly as if to stress it and some work overtime to avoid that.
charley writes:
No, its not the money persay but the love of money that is the root of all evil.
Christ says sell all and and follow me; not give up your love of money or hey some of you will be priests and some of you will be kings. Modern day interpretation.

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Message 132 of 140 (380821)
01-28-2007 11:32 PM
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01-28-2007 10:31 PM


Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
charley writes:
Your missing the whole point its not about Caesar
The scripture plainly and clearly state give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and you are trying to twist this into some conspiracy of rulers of darkness.
You are corrupting scripture for your own purposes.

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Message 133 of 140 (380824)
01-28-2007 11:54 PM
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01-28-2007 11:27 PM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Christ says sell all and and follow me; not give up your love of money or hey some of you will be priests and some of you will be kings. Modern day interpretation.
If you want to be a catholic priest you probably would sell all to follow Christ. If your called to be a king and a priest you would have need to owe no man any thing which you can not do if you give all your money to the poor. Jesus said the poor you will alway have when Judas was going to give all the money to the poor. You have to read the scriptures in context, it seems to mean just the opposite of what your saying. The apostle Paul didn't rob the churches for this very reason, etc...
kjv Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 134 of 140 (380846)
01-29-2007 6:46 AM
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01-28-2007 11:54 PM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Charely:
Jesus said the poor you will alway have when Judas was going to give all the money to the poor.
Fundies who want to keep their money love this statement. But it is they who take it out of context.
Jesus said the reason it was okay to splurge a bit on a celebration (oil) in that instance was because he was with them in person and would not always be.
Jesus sits at the right hand of God now, according to fundies. So it's no longer a case of supplying him with a few luxuries because the times are special. Any money fundies keep from the poor now is not money they spend on Jesus. It is money they keep for themselves.
It is also not correct to say 'Judas was going to give all the money to the poor.' All one knows is that he objected to expensive oil being poured on Christ by saying the money could have been spent on the poor.
The Gospel writers tell us that Judas kept the purse. They also tell us his character was such that betrayed Jesus for money. So when he spoke of helping the poor he was likely thinking of enriching himself.
Judas would be very comfortable with modern fundamentalism, actually.
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Message 135 of 140 (380879)
01-29-2007 9:59 AM
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01-29-2007 6:46 AM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Judas would be very comfortable with modern fundamentalism, actually.
No, actually its more like the liberals tax and spend. You too seem to agree with depowering the churches which is not the apostle Paul witness to be robbing from the church.
Its about empowerment of the church to save up for their children not bondage to give all to the poor. 2 corinthians 12:14.
You want the church to give all to the poor but this is clearly not what the bible says. Save up for your children is clearly not giving all to the poor but the opposite. Its ok to save for your retirement because this is your inheritance to your children.
The prodical son is a story of a son sqandering all his inheritance to the point he was willing to become a slave. The other son didn't yet his Father welcomed his son that was lost. This is a bit like God giving up the retrobates to their desires and some actually coming back to the Father and the Father welcoming them back and the scriptures about the angels rejoicing when a sinner repents, etc..

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