Buzsaw writes:
The problem is with the information your theists claim to have which leads back to the singularity. It leaves the BB theist with no before and no outside of for the Biblical god Jehovah and things around him to exist. The BB alegedly was a submicroscopic bit of space containing all the energy and space the universe now consists of. The only place for Jehovah and things described around him is within the submicroscopid bit of space superdensely compacted in the hot speck.
Here is my belief: When God imagines, God creates. God has nothing to do with the singularity, unless you are a Pantheist. God imagined and created long before (if time has any meaning in this scenario) You or I were even thought of...before elements even had properties...before words had meanings. God is, in my belief, the uncaused first cause.
Buzsaw writes:
Your problem is that Percy, Jar, Phat and a number of you believe this spirit exists as well as his son Jesus whom their Bible declares to be with God at this time. If this spirit being exists with his son and other spirit beings, where was he existing during and before the singularity if there was not outside of the singularity?
Jesus and God are One. Jesus is and was Gods character in human form.
Whether or not anyone can define and speculate the properties, parameters, and characteristics of God is irrelevant. God is God, regardless of any definitions that we humans attach. (IMB, anyway) And I will even go so far to say that God is not contained within my belief. God transcends anything that I can imagine. God transcends any properties assigned. IMB, Jesus is Gods character, but if God wants to extrapolate the I AM ness of the I AM, God is certainly going to do so....no matter what my Bible teachers have taught me and no matter what I or You or Anyone
else believes. Oh....and just for clarification, IMB There is no God and Jesus and other Spirit Beings. There is basically two spirits. One of them is the Creator. (so there is but One Spirit) in that He was, He is, and He always will be.
The other impostor spirit is only allowed to exist as a distinction in definition. he once was, now is not, and yet
is for those whose names have not been written in the Book Of Life. (Of course, this is my personal belief, and was shaped by my Bible reading and understanding. I await further clarification from God on this matter.
AbE: Upon further reflection, I believe that
all things were created by Jesus..as representative of Gods character...(thus by God)
so
if God were to have a body, that body would be Jesus. I suppose that IF God wanted to have a body apart from Jesus, God could certainly do so. I stick with my belief that God is Spirit, however.
Perhaps I am becoming a Oneness Pentecostal, here. I always thought of myself as Trinitarian, yet find it hard to grasp the concept...(although it is very believable to me)
Edited by Phat, : clarification
Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.* * * * * * * * * *
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."- --Sir Isaac Newton