The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.

Kerusu, are you asking Buz to have faith in what cannot yet be seen? Oh that's rich...It reminds me of a scientist explaining design very well (IMO) and explaining that the design arguments are based on what we do know, where as arguments like naturalism are based upon what we don't know.And I must say that that is very humerous to me, since it is the naturalists who like to dismiss ID'ers as all faith and make believe.And it pertains to a debate that I promised Razd that I would share with him soon. I think I'll spend some time with the family tonight first. I am laughing too hard to feel like doing the digging at the moment. I only remember that the naturalist in question, went by the name of Schapiro, and that he was debating a man from Texas A&M.Oh that's rich...

I am 36 years old Kuresu. You have no idea what struggles and issues I have faced in my time. And you appear to know little about effort and objective thinking. I have been married 14 yrs, have three kids. Bought and pay for my own home. A self made man if there is such a thing (I once believed so). A living American dream! I have been a liberal frying my brain on LSD at Reaggae on The River in Southern Humboldt County. Been a card carrying member of the Republican Party. I have searched High, and I have searched low. I have believed lies and told them with zeal. I've been around the block. I did it my way. I pondered the riches of pantheism, and I rattled the rafters of atheism. I've seen through the lens of cocaine, and the lens of depression. Considered suicide, and traveled through the clouds of heaven. I questioned my teachers, and the priest who married me to my beautiful wife. I even told him how LSD had freed my mind in ways he would never understand. I've been at ease in the woods hauling logs with a the meanest bunch of tobbacco chewing rednecks you've ever seen. And I've always wondered if there was more. More, more, more, more...I had no idea how much more there is until I met Christ! and it was far from the easiest thing I have done. It was the hardest, most humiliating, challenging, and pride robbing journey of them all. So please refrain from sitting in your dorm room and telling me about putting out an effort. My whole life has been effort. I could take you for a ride in the muddy mountains of Humboldt in a Peterbuilt that would likely cause a loss of continance on your part.Now where was I?It requires more than an imagination. It requieres an honest interpretation of the evidence. But you don't even think dishonesty is a sin... it's just a mistake!This is what you sound like Kuresu: I am a man Kuresu. A man who will be coming back on the clouds with Jesus Christ to destroy armies at the battle of Armageddon.Don't forget, that until two years ago, I fully defended evolutionary views even after my conversion. I was a vociferous defender of theistic evolution. It was a former college proffessor that reigned in my confidence about what I had been told by the establishment. I have loved science since 7th grade biology. And believed it as scientific fact. Over the years I bored my poor wife to tears with the Discovery Channel, National Geographic, and the like.Have you ever noticed how many times they reinforce the whole 'billions of years' belief. I garantee it is in every single, solitary documentary out there minus none! Josef Goebles must be proud...Don't assume that I am an imbecil. Nor lazy, or incompetant, or simple, or wimpy, or amused.My biggest failure is in learning to be as good a father as the Lord is to me... And now I am crying. I'm strong enough to admit it too.Where was I?Oh yes... I fully bought into the evolutionary view. I was steeped in it. Fed it. Bred it. Reinforced with it. Surrounded by it. Force fed it. Taught it. Saw it on TV (and today... that's the main thing ).I heard about it. Talked about it. Defended it. Explained it. Swallowed it. Inhaled it. Sat on it. Stood on it. Swam in it. Danced with it. Touched it. Sold it... And as Bubba would say before Forest left him in Viet Nam... 'That's about it...'.The pressure is incidious! It sorrounds us. It is our culture now. It glares with a nueronic stare and dares you to question it's authority! Everybody knows that science cannot be wrong...Iceage talked about believing what we were raised to believe in another thread. He accused me of being gulible by implication. That we usually buy into our cultures myths and legends. He is so right! But not in the way he suspects. It's quite the other way around.Rebel! Run! Don't even go back for your things Kuresu... Get out of Dodge! And pray that your flight does not take place in winter.Don't be cowed by the pressures of the day. Question authority!
That's my counsel...But, if you find yourself comforted by the whole naturalist view, then that is another matter!All I know is that you can count me out... Naturalism just cannot answer the many questions that life brings to the table. It's only benefit to me was that it allowed me to live however I chose at the time.When I realized that was why I believed it, the enchantment began to fade. I just had to come to terms with my moral depravity first. One cannot see clearly until one is honset internally. I think that is why Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within. It is our conscious.Once we quit lying to ourselves, we can then start interpreting all of the data objectively for the first time.Then, as Dean Kenyon (professor of biology emeritus S.F. State University) said, '...the concept of intelligent design was far more intellectually satisfying. And matched very closely the multiple discoveries of molecular biology in the last decades.'Now I am going to go watch 'The Gospel of John' with my family. We've seen it before but it is good! The boys are going to need both sides of the story so that someday they can decide for themselves what the truth is.My apologies for the first draft of this reply. That was the old me talking. I hope that this edited version has less of me, and more of Christ in it. I do not think you are any more a punk than I am. And none of us really is. We just act like punks from time to time. Well, at least I do...I wish you well Kuresu. May you find the truth.
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That's the trouble with the net. You can't see facial expressions and you can't hear the tone in the voice. it's virtual communication.You must imagine my rebuke of Kuresu like this...On a ranch somewhere... and after the tyrade with a look of cold steel... The cowboy says to the young chump. 'Now let's get up on these horses and ride. You'll be alright someday...'It wasn't meant to belittle... It was meant to invoke a little respect. I learned it from mechanics at a construction company heavy equipment shop. And I learned it the hard way...Oh and did I mention I have played a my share of rifts on an Ibanez Roadstar? Slayer and Mettalica mostly, with a bit of improv mixed in. Anyway... that's history!Hugs and kisses...Rob

Well they've got you fooled don't they sweetie?And we don't correct each other here about spelling errors. But thanks...Kuresu can take care of himself.

Well, I do care about peoples lives...Of course I am not proud of my drug use. The point was simply this... Christians are often talked down to as if they have no 'real life' experience. That is patently false.It isn't goody two-shoes wannabe righteous boys that become Christians very often. They don't need God see?It is often very bad boys that become Christians. Sinners...And that does not mean that they are uneducated or ignorant. It means they have suffered, and in many cases thought more about life and from different perspectives than the so called open minded elite.I've opened my mind to things that most people are too good for (like christ). And Christ is seen as meek, humble and kind by so many. That is true... But they do not know He is a warrior as well. He's been gone so long...The day of the Lord will be terrible for those who rejected Him. Every secret will be revealed.

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

I just wanted you to know that I retract my insults leveled against you. I have editted my response to you...http://EvC Forum: The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang. -->EvC Forum: The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.I get a bit worked up if I am not careful to deny myself continually. It is the daily sacrifice of cross carrying. I am still not very good at it. It takes time to change a beast into a civil citizen.Rob