The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.

I have thought about this in two ways; the notion of God pre-existing BB, as you have mentioned above, or the notion of God somehow BEING the BB.It is easy to think about a pre-existing God...leaves plenty of room in the comfort zone. Don't have to worry about explaining God or containing God. But you have to be honest with yourself and realize that it is impossible to imagine God existing anywhere without a boundary. Putting Him in a larger enclosure than this Universe, one which encloses this universe, only delays our worry about what is outside His universe.I do not know the appropriate terms used with BB theory, maybe I can get some help...but instead of thinking big, why can't we think small? We have the same problem either way; trying to imagine what is outside of the universe.

Nevermind God's perspective. If He is omniscient and the creator of all, he will know the shape of the earth regardless of the angle He sees it from You are still sounding as if the 'heavens' is some place far up in the sky, when in reality we have no idea where God abides.

Funny, we are blessed by so many prophets here I would think EvC itself is blessed! If this is but a cross-section of humanity, there must be countless prophets. Such comforting news!On a serious note, I thought it was God who usually touched the minds of prophets, not the other way around?

Buz, I am just curious. In your OP you were concerned that there was no Outside of the universe for God to exist in. This verse from Psalms sounds like God is IN the universe; Did God move? Are you changing your position, or am I misunderstanding?I think you can combine the two; God exists, He spoke, BB happened spreading out the universe all around Him so that He was effectively 'in' the universe, and 'not in' before the universe. Honestly, your imagination is the limit and probably nothing like what really is anyway. There is no reason to fret.

There can even be many, many ways in which Jehovah 'makes His throne in the Heavens'.It may be a simple means of describing His transcendence; Gods have always been thought to dwell in high places, and less benevolent gods to dwell in lower places, either in our world or a world set apart.A non-corporeal being wouldn't need to be confined to a mountain.He would not even need to be confined to a throne, but His throne could consist of the entire heavens, or just a place of emanation from where all of creation spread out around him. If God were immanent in all of creation invisibly, His throne or point of 'origin' would not be detectable, and since god could exist equally everywhere in a non-corporeal existance, his 'throne' could not be said to exist anymore in one place than in another.This is not a good description of the Xian God, who must always be thought of as 'seperate' from His creation...but 'seperate' comes in so many forms. He could exist 'in' the universe, but 'above' the universe in His substance, compared to something more pantheistic where He is of the same substance as the universe.Anyway, yes, we can see what Buz has to say.

Nonsense, maybe, but just the sort of nonsense which the great world philosophies use as divisions. In some sense, God in Christianity is 'above' around' 'in' 'amoung' and even 'with' us, but not in the same sense that He might be in pantheism, deism or panentheism. On the one hand it is extremely impossible to 'know' which is which, to comparatively study the options...as you often come across terms like 'Holy Spirit' which are common in only one philosophy, and yet bridge some of the gaps between a completely transcendent god idea, to a completely immanent god idea. I believe the idea in christian theology is that God is transcendent in substance, the Spirit can be 'in' us with a sort of hypostatic union, and only with Jesus is God actually the 'substance'. He is not 'god and man' but God become man. I was wondering last night about this 'non-corporeal God'. Not a very satisfying thought, to get to heaven and see No One. It certainly would seem that Jesus would steal the spotlight away from this No One. If someone was not Christian and saw No One and Jesus, they might think they were in the wrong place. Of course, my own imagination is faulty, being human and all, but I did have some thoughts about 'non-corporeal'.In genesis, we are made in the 'image and likeness of God', according to arach, the word used to say this in Hebrew has qualities of being both spiritual and physical. But of course, the idea of God being fleshly is 'heresy' but he could have some sort of Supreme Manifestation. The non-corporeal idea could have been a deterent from the human tendency to 'picture' God, to break Him down into attributes, or to combine His attributes in any one form. You do see pictures of gods having many atrributes at once, like the one you provided, or many manifestations of different attributes. The thought may have been to stop 'picturing' God, and to truly allow Him to be transcendent, without name, without form, etc. His attributes could become words, like omni-science, omni-potence, and omni-presence. These words might frustrate our ability to 'know' God, hence Jesus, condescension, and a 'personal' God.Essentially, though these words are designed to DEFY our imagination, they end up being defied by our imagination. I think I am paraphrasing a signature I have seen around here. Anyway, we have slowly begun building of a new Valhalla in the heavens, complete with streets, thrones, and gates. Honestly, I think the idea was NOT to have an idea.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.