The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.

All right folks, Percy has already addressed jordo's, hmmm, idiosyncratic version of reality. Please get back to the topic.

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I am sorry you find this information unwelcome. But you cannot blame inconvenient facts on Constantine and ignore them. As I told you, this model of the universe pre-existed Christianity by centuries. It, or something very similar to it, was the prevailing belief in all ancient cultures.Everything Bible authors say about the universe corresponds with the views held in their day.You are suggesting that the biblical writers espoused modern ideas about the cosmos. You are saying that, centuries before these ideas emerged in science, these people held a heliocentric idea of the solar system and knowledge of the sun's placement on an arm of the Milky Way galaxy. And you would have us believe that these extremely advanced, totally anachronistic ideas about the cosmos were deliberately suppressed by the first Christian emperor of Rome because he wanted to appease pagans.This is a fanciful suggestion, to say the least.No historical records support this fantasy. That includes the biblical texts themselves. If you will bother to read the information I shared with you in Message 42 you will see a number of ways the biblical writers took for granted, and sometimes influenced, archaic ideas about the cosmos. These ancient ideas are the biblical model.What you have not shown us is where 'Jesus and the writers of the NT as well as the OT' ever spoke of an ionosphere, menosphere, and troposphere and the other modern concepts you claim to find in their work.___Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

To specifically which pronouncements of mine and what specific knowledge does you comment pertain? Specifically what did I say that you would care to debate?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

The singularity or 'big bang' as you refer to it is a beginning for time, energy, and boundless space as far as humans are concerned as anything before the singularity is by definition, outside of anything but speculation.I think the second half of your sentence is what I take issue with the most, depending upon how one may interpret designed, changed, and managed. At what level of micromanagement is this providence operating? Do you believe, as Charley aparently does, that every earthquake, hurricane, flood, disease, or even embarassing public fart in an elevator was and is personally directed by god to punish this or that sin? Do you believe that the planets move, not according to any physical laws but rather because god is personally pushing them along with his invisible hands? Do you believe that the stars exist in a crystalline sphere 'above' the 'center' of the universe, which according to Biblical cosmology, is the Earth? For that matter, do you believe the universe was created specifically for humans and only humans?I am curious as to your answers to these questions, as it may help reveal your current level of scientific understanding. Edited by anglagard, : left out 'of' in last sentence

If God's abode is outside of the universe as per the OP BB problem, where do BB theists think Jesus is, being on the right hand of God's throne? Where do you think these creatures in Rev 4 existed if they're where God's throne and the man Jesus is now? Jar says he believes the Nicene Creed which includes the bodily resurrection of Jesus. That's the topic problem.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Here is the Nicene Creed.Please point out where it says "bodily resurrection of Jesus"' Buz, don't you ever get tired of rewriting scripture to fit your puny little goddlet? Doesn't Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ever get old for you or do you just enjoy doing it?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Entropy/2LTD energy can be managed by work (ID) as I understand the science of it.Why should I question the obvious arrangement of the cosmos as per modern tech to revert to what some believed before tech? The Bible does not specify the arragement of heaven except to note some of the observable arrangements of some stars. It does appear to imply that God's heaven may be in the northern region of the cosmos relative to earth in Isaiah 14:12-14. Perhaps (I say 'perhaps') that may have some bearing on the magnetic North and that North is referred to as "up." I throw that out as food for thought. The one addressed here to appears to be Satan.Speaking of science, so far I'm not seeing any scientific solutions to the OP problem posed in message one for our science minded BB Biblical theists. Can you come up with anything more scientific than what we have so far here in this thread to aleviate their problem?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Which way is "north" cosmologically speaking?

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Jar, as per scripture, the desciples saw Jesus rise up off the earth bodily into the clouds as he prophesied. Jesus said he would return as a man ruler. I would assume that at least 95% of Biblical scholars consider the Nicene Creed to alude to the bodily resurrection. Perhaps you are the odd one out here. If that be the case, my apologies. Of course you then have the Biblical Jesus's body to account for, the tomb being empty if it did not resurrect, that body into which he took on nourishment after his resurrection from the dead.Where is his body today as per scripture, Jar?
Are you telling the www that the Nicene Creed author with whom you apparantly agree as per your former professions was not depicting a bodily resurrection?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Buz said I posted the Nicene Creed. Where in the Nicene Creed does it say bodily Buz?Are you really as ignorant of Christianity as you seem? Do you really know NOTHING of the Christian Faith?One more time, here is the Nicene Creed. Where does it say bodily Buz. Just point out the line.Two phases Buz. Resurrection and then Ascension.To think Jesus is some bodily critter would make Jesus as puny and picayune as that goddlet you created and worship. Don't you ever get tired of blaspheming?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

My understanding is that it is somewhat offset from the N Pole relative to earth. Perhaps it was at one time due north, the earth axis having been changed at some time, say at the Genesis Edenic curse or at ww flood time. That's pure speculation on my part and certainly not a claim. It seems that to effect the Genesis flood God would have done something significant to the planet to cause the condensation of the atmospheric H2O. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

But north is a relative direction, it is not an absolute.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Keep in mind when dealing with demigods or tribal gods, the earth is often considered the seat of the universe and hence provides absolute references.

oh yeah, I forgot that we're talking about a limited being who only gives out cryptic messages

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

The Biblical account would apply relative to earth, being a book about earth, would it not? Or am I missunderstanding your point?