What is it with the blame game?
I have never seen so much wanting to blame somebody else for our actions since the day I had to substitute in a kindergarden class.
For
our actions? Are you kidding me? It is the position of Christians that even newborns who have committed no sin of their own are
still guilty because of a 6000-year-old ancestor who ate a fruit, and so deserve to
burn for eternity.
Aside from that, if your god created the lake of fire, he is responsible for every single person he sends there, even if you believe his reasons are justified.
If we were at the beach and there was a dock where you could go way out in the water. You had went to the end and I was sitting there enjoying the breeze reading the paper. You dive in the water and begin to swim. You swim around for a while and all of a sudden you get a cramp, you can't swim you can't help yourself. I see you and there is a life preserver there with a rope on it. I look at it then I look back to you and sit back down and begin to read my paper. You drown. Now if that was the case I can see where I contributed to your plight. Your family could blame me because if I had thrown you the preserver you would have been OK.
Now lets look at this a little different.
I see you in trouble. If I don't help. you will drown as there is no one else there no other way. I throw the life preserver to you it is easily reachable all you have to do is reach out and take hold of it. But no you push it away instead.
My question to you and anyone else that would like to chime in.
Is it my fault if you drown?
That's not a very good analogy for the Christian position. At the
very least, to make this more accurate you would have needed to have created the ocean, forced me to go swimming, and caused the cramp - in which case, despite throwing a life preserver,
yes, you would be responsible for my death.
If god is the one who makes the rules, created Hell, and created humanity with full knowledge ahead of time that his creations would wind up being tortured forever because of the rules and place he created and the way he created us, he's responsible for
all of it.
News Flash: The moment He said "It is finished" He was standing with the father in heaven.
His resurrection was to show the devil that he had lost, and to assure me that If I trust Him I will overcome the grave also that the grave is not the end as many would like for it to be.
So all the stuff about "he died for your sins" is irrelevant then? When I was a Christian, I was taught that Jesus took all of the sins onto himself when he died and paid the price for all of us with a divine sacrifice, paralleling the animal sacrifices that had previously been used to wash away sin and making the sacrifice perpetual for all who believe in him.
If that's the Christian position, then the "Sacrifice" was meaningless because Jesus knew he'd wake up three days later, go to heaven, and be worshipped for the next few thousand years as an aspect of god himself.
Oh...and the "It is finished" thing? That's only in one of the Gospels. One of the other one paints a very different picture: "Father, why have you forsaken me?" Just another one of those inconsistencies.
What makes you think it is a threat?
It is no threat it is a certainty. You are already in the lake of fire you just haven't arrived yet. John 3:18
God didn't have to but He did the honorable thing and threw out the lifeline the rest is up to you.
Have fun,
If I'm holding a gun to your head, start to squeeze the trigger, and tell you I'll move the gun away from you if you do what I say...is that a threat, or is that a certainty? I mean, you're already in the line of fire, the trigger just hasn't been pulled all the way yet. I don't have to, but I'm offering you a chance to avoid being shot, and the rest is up to you.
Demanding obedience or even just good behavior on such a basis is inherently immoral and dishonorable.
See the parallel?
No, you probably don't. Oh well.
When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a
painful inconvenience.
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