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Rrhain
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Message 37 of 308 (449899)
01-19-2008 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Stile
01-18-2008 8:30 AM


Re: Understanding the basics
Stile writes:
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My point is that it's more honourable to let yourself be judged by whoever will do the judging than to jump out beforehand and request salvation from whoever can grant such.
And there are parts of the New Testament that say exactly that. The first part of Matthew 6 is all about not making a spectacle of your faith, that those who do are not seeking god's reward but the glory of man.
Of course, that contradicts Matthew 5 which says that you need to let your light shine before men, but contradictory phrases are par for the course.
Your asking the question of whether or not you follow Paul or James: Is salvation through faith or works? Paul says that it is faith. After, that's the only way he can justify himself given the horrible works he carried out: He saved himself because he had a change of heart.
Ephesians 2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
But James' claim is that faith without works is dead.
James 2:18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James 2:20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Now, James didn't say faith was of no concern, but it is clear that the point is that believing is not enough. The way you prove that faith is by doing. "Courage of your convictions" and all that.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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