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New Cat's Eye
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Message 286 of 308 (456906)
02-20-2008 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by TheTruth
02-20-2008 4:07 PM


Re: The Bible
If the bible is true its all true it can't be kind of true cause one error discredits the entire thing.

How so?

You mean that your telling me that if we can conclude that the earth was not made before the sun, like Genesis says, then Jesus' message of loving our neighbor must be false as well!?

That is preposterous!

How weak does your faith have to be to say that if there is one error then I'm throwing the whole thing out?

Your faith is a house of cards.

Its statements like the one you made that almost make me ashamed to call myself a christian.


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Message 287 of 308 (456922)
02-20-2008 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Brian
02-20-2008 4:24 PM


Brian said
"Something such as a man living for 930 years or 969 years is impossible and can safely be accepted as untrue."
Yes in deed it is impossible in our times under ourconditions. If you look at the atmoshperical difference from then till now (aka post flood) life spans have decreased rapidly. Yes as modern medicine improves life span grows, but since the water canopy was let go and the biblical flood ended the oxygen levels have decreased and the radation levels have increased.


"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 288 of 308 (457002)
02-21-2008 10:26 AM
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02-20-2008 6:16 PM


Yes in deed it is impossible in our times under ourconditions. If you look at the atmoshperical difference from then till now (aka post flood) life spans have decreased rapidly. Yes as modern medicine improves life span grows, but since the water canopy was let go and the biblical flood ended the oxygen levels have decreased and the radation levels have increased.

But you just made all that up (or someone else did).

This is a perfect example of something I despise.

Instead of looking at evidence and coming to a conclusion, you are coming to a conclusion and then looking for a way that 'evidence' can be twisted and spun to fit within that conclusion.

We see Biblical Literalists do it all the time. When given an obvious contradiction in the Bible, any explanation that they can think of, or make up, that maintains inerrancy in the Bible but also somewhat conforms to reality is the explantation that they "choose" to believe in.

Basically they want to have their cake and eat it too.

There is no extra-Biblical reason pointing to a water canopy or a change in the atmosphere that would lead to shorter life spans. This is just bullshit that someone made up to forge a plausible explantion for what the Bible claims. It is pretty much lying.

These certainly are christians that have no honor.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.


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Message 289 of 308 (457120)
02-21-2008 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by New Cat's Eye
02-21-2008 10:26 AM


Prove it, prove me wrong.


"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 290 of 308 (457125)
02-21-2008 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by TheTruth
02-21-2008 2:28 PM


Prove it, prove me wrong.

:laugh:

You will not accept it.

.|.. ^.^ ..|.


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Message 291 of 308 (457129)
02-21-2008 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by New Cat's Eye
02-21-2008 2:40 PM


You will not accept it.

You can'y prove me qrong
:laughs:


"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 292 of 308 (457145)
02-21-2008 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by TheTruth
02-21-2008 2:47 PM


You can'y prove me qrong
:laughs:

You can't type :p

And if your theory can't be falsified then it is bullshit.

The reason I'm incapable of proving you wrong is becuase you have no honor like the thread is questioning. Anything I say you will just deny. It would be futile for me to try.


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Brian
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Message 293 of 308 (457150)
02-21-2008 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by TheTruth
02-20-2008 6:16 PM


Yes in deed it is impossible in our times under ourconditions.

Are you suggesting that worldwide conditions have changed in the last 4500 years? If so, how do you know they have changed and what exactly has changed?

If you look at the atmoshperical difference from then till now (aka post flood) life spans have decreased rapidly.

The thing is my friend this is actually up to you to provide evidence to support what you are claiming. So can you provide evidence that ‘conditions’ have changed and that the old conditions supported longevity.

Yes as modern medicine improves life span grows,

Improvements in diets and sanitation helps as well.

but since the water canopy was let go

Water canopy? Which water canopy is this?

and the biblical flood ended the oxygen levels have decreased and the radation levels have increased.

What evidence do you have that oxygen levels have decreased and radiation levels have increased in the last 4500 years?

Also, if thing have changed how do conditions affect longevity.

So, essentially, what evidence do you have that people used to live for nearly one thousand years?


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Stile
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Message 294 of 308 (457181)
02-21-2008 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by ICANT
02-20-2008 4:06 PM


Re: Summary
ICANT writes:

Since you will not listen to a preacher and must make the decision for yourself I asked you to read the book of John. I don't know if it will help or not. I do know it is God's Word. If you are true to yourself and read those words with an open mind I believe God will speak to you.

But I have read those words while being true to myself and with an open mind and God did not speak to me. (Or, perhaps I was unable to listen correctly at the time, or something like that).

I would suggest you read it at least 3 time before thinking too strongly about what it is saying. Then read it slowly and thoughtfully while saying Lord if you are there please speak to me. But if at anytime you have thoughts this is true that is God speaking. The same voice that is telling you now that this is just a bunch of bunk you can't trust in it will also be there. Just as he has been for most of this thread. The voice of God has also been there you just keep saying no.

I've read the Gospel of John much more than 3 times. In addition, I've had it read to me much more than 3 times. And I've read it slowly while asking God to speak to me. (Although not recently, all about 10 years ago or more) Granted, I thought of Him as "God" rather than "the Lord", but in my mind there's no difference. I've never become aware of any voice of God.

Are you suggesting I need to read it again?

Are you suggesting I need to re-do this trial every time it doesn't seem to work to me?

That... seems like a very large waste of time. Time I could spend actually helping other people.

I say if you don't do as I have suggested you are lying to yourself and not being honest.

But you're just another person. You're not God. Why should I care as to what you say? There's plenty of people who threaten me in the same way. They all have the same thing in common, they want me to believe what they believe. Why should your words have more weight than anyone elses? Why should I redo your test before I take any of their tests for the first time? You say if I don't bother with your test I'm not being honest. Well, if I don't bother with all 100,000 tests of all the different religions I'm also not being honest. But I'm not capable of putting that much time and effort into this search. I have to earn a living, I have to provide for some family that depends on me. I can't leave them while I go testing every trial anyone puts up to me. So, yes, it may be dishonest of me to not redo your trial. But how can I do otherwise honestly? If I do your trial, I must honestly do all 100,000+ of the other trials for all the other people who claim to know God.

What is it about your trial that can set yours apart?

All these trials have the same thing in common, there is no way to verify their effectivness. You say "But if at anytime you have thoughts this is true that is God speaking." And I have had those thoughts before, but it was not God speaking, it was me. Is God incapable of sending his voice unless I'm reading the gospel of John? Why can't I just ask God to send His voice to me? Why can't I just openly cry to God for help? Which, of course, I've already done many times with only my own voice as an answer. Does this mean I'm not honest enough? Not open enough? How can I be more honest and open than I'm capable of?

You say what if it don't work. Then I will continue to pray for you as I have been doing.

Thanks. I have no problems having anyone wish me well.


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TheTruth
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Message 295 of 308 (457202)
02-21-2008 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by New Cat's Eye
02-21-2008 3:28 PM


And if your theory can't be falsified then it is bullshit.

Wait a minute I was under the impression if a theory can't be disproven than it is a LAW not bull.


The reason I'm incapable of proving you wrong is becuase you have no honor like the thread is questioning. Anything I say you will just deny. It would be futile for me to try.

How does me having no honor make you not be able to prove me wrong. Could it be I can't be?


"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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Message 296 of 308 (457204)
02-21-2008 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by TheTruth
02-21-2008 6:15 PM


Wait a minute I was under the impression if a theory can't be disproven than it is a LAW not bull.

No, not quite. If a theory can be disproven but isn't, then it becomes accepted.


If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 297 of 308 (457205)
02-21-2008 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by TheTruth
02-21-2008 6:15 PM


Wait a minute I was under the impression if a theory can't be disproven than it is a LAW not bull.

ZOMG! you don't even know the basics....

A theory has to be falsifiable or its junk. Click here.

How does me having no honor make you not be able to prove me wrong.

You have to have the honor to not be disingenuous and pedantic. Otherwise, you'll just deny deny deny.

You will put yourself in a position where you just cannot be convinced and then deny the evidence piece by piece. That is dishonorable.

Could it be I can't be?

About the water canopy and ~1000 year old humans? No, you cannot be correct.

Besides, it not up to me to prove you wrong. You should prove yourself right. You've made the claim.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.


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Message 298 of 308 (457206)
02-21-2008 6:27 PM
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02-21-2008 6:22 PM


oh
I see still quite far from bull.

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Message 299 of 308 (457208)
02-21-2008 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Stile
02-21-2008 5:18 PM


Re: Summary
Hi Stile,

Stile writes:

And I have had those thoughts before, but it was not God speaking, it was me.

I can assure you it was not the devil.

So who was it?

Stile it is nothing to me whether you trust God or not I have done what I am told to do and that is to share the wonderful news that God will give you eternal life if you will receive it.

The only reward I could gain by you trusting God and receiving eternal life is that we would be able to meet one day and possibly explore the far reaches of this magnificent universe we are privileged to live in. You take care now.

God Bless,

And I will be praying for you.

Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 300 of 308 (457212)
02-21-2008 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Brian
02-21-2008 3:40 PM


Ok wrapping up my points
First of all this is way of topic.
quote:
Genesis 1:6,7 (New American Standard)
Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it seperate the waters from the waters."
7 And God made the expanse and seperated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.


The water canopy.


"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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