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Jon
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Message 89 of 396 (735532)
08-17-2014 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Tangle
08-15-2014 4:58 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
This is the Faith and Belief forum.

If you find discussions like this to be "just waffling about nonsense", then perhaps you've found yourself in the wrong place.


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Jon
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Message 90 of 396 (735533)
08-17-2014 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
08-17-2014 8:57 AM


Re: Re-Trinity
God may well have created evil(more likely the possibility of evil) but that does not make God defacto evil. Get my point?

Imagine an architect who designs a building to fall down (or more likely having the possibility of falling down). Is this architect evil? He knows his building will either certainly fall or that it is very likely it will; many people will die; he does not care and has the building build anyway.

Isn't he evil?


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Jon
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Message 93 of 396 (735560)
08-17-2014 11:31 PM
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08-17-2014 12:49 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Are you suggesting that the faith and belief forum is where waffling about nonsense is an acceptable replacement for an argument.

I'm suggesting that people who post statements of belief in the Faith and Belief forum don't deserve to be accused of "waffling about nonsense"—and that you should not consider yourself above the question mark.

Jon


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Message 111 of 396 (735683)
08-22-2014 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by NoNukes
08-21-2014 8:39 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Can God make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?

Now you're just being ridiculous.


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Jon
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Message 112 of 396 (735685)
08-22-2014 3:34 AM


The Trinity
I'm going to attempt an actual reply to the topic of this thread. Though I am not Christian—I used to be, but long before I was capable of considering things like the meaning of the Trinity—I imagine the Trinity as being a single being with three simultaneous manifestations.

It is easier to think of if you imagine that for one moment the manifestation is Jesus, for another moment the manifestation is the Father, and for another moment the manifestation is the Holy Spirit.

Easy enough to comprehend. There is nothing strange in a God that can manifest in three different ways.

The mental jump comes when we say that God can manifest in these three different ways at the same time. God does not have to choose when to be Jesus, when to be the Father, and when to be the Holy Spirit because He can be all of them—and is all of them—at once. And yet, just as when they were manifest at different times, they are still independent of one another while being manifestations of the same one God.

It really is a one, two, three logic trail: One god -> Doublethink -> Trinity

But it works.


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Jon
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Message 127 of 396 (735819)
08-25-2014 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Tangle
08-25-2014 7:04 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Are there religions that conspicuously preach of God's "obligations"?

I know plenty of believers who believe God will help them, but none who believe He has to.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 162 of 396 (736043)
08-31-2014 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by New Cat's Eye
08-29-2014 12:04 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Of course God is not obligated to keep His promises.

And He's certainly not obligated to keep promises made by someone else.


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Jon
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Message 165 of 396 (736069)
09-01-2014 12:09 PM
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08-31-2014 12:56 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Maybe not, but if God breaks such promise, it would not be all that strange that we would judge him by that breach.

And there's nothing saying we can't judge God. In fact, judging God seems just fine: we gain the ability to do so just three chapters in and Abraham and Moses both judged God.

There seems nothing wrong with judging God, and there seems to be no reason God should keep His promises.

Jon


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