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Message 658 of 1864 (899713)
10-18-2022 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 655 by candle2
10-17-2022 3:44 PM


Carbon dating
Hi candle2
It is expected that the level of C14 in the atmosphere will vary over time principally because the rate of production from solar radiation is not constant, and increased old carbon can be produced by volcanic activity and introduced into the atmosphere.
So a means of calibrating is required so a raw C14 date can be converted to a more accurate real date. This is done by dating something by another method, such as known historical artefacts, tree rings, limestone cave deposits, lake and sea floor deposits, dating corals by C14 and Uranium/Thorium dating on the same specimen.
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Using these methods tables have been published to calibrate raw C14 dates to 55,000 years agoagainst real dates. The result of course is not a straight line relation. In fact there can be a plateau so one C14 date can be a range of actual dates.
If this is not an honest investigation honestly reported, then what do you think is actually going on? Who is fooling whom? Who is benefitting?
There are over 100 C14 laboratories around the world with the biggest doing 10,000 tests a year. Researchers are content to spend $500 I am told per test. The results are sent in reports to journals to be published and read by other researchers.
If the tests are so unreliable, what do you think is going on here? Who is fooling whom? Who is organising things?

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Message 661 of 1864 (899740)
10-18-2022 9:43 PM
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10-17-2022 3:44 PM


candle2 church
Hi candle2
You say you are not SDA but your statements mimic theirs. If you will not say which is your church, can you tell us what you accept as the age of the Earth?

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Message 679 of 1864 (900000)
10-22-2022 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 658 by Pollux
10-18-2022 4:17 AM


Re: Carbon dating
candle2 seems to have gone quiet. He has not answered my questions nor adduced any evidence for distortion of reported evidence of age matters.
I really would like his comments or from any other YEC
Away from C14 dating, in recent years there are many reports of high precision dating on : - SIberian Traps to pin down relationship to the End-Permian extinction
-Central Atlantic Magmatic province for the End-Triassic extinction
- Deccan Traps for relationship to the End-Cretaceous extinction and the Chicxulub meteorite
So again, if these reports are not genuine what is going on? What do YECs know that no one else does? Why has no researcher broken ranks to run to CMI et al to blow the whistle that it is all a sham?

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Message 686 of 1864 (900052)
10-22-2022 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 668 by candle2
10-19-2022 9:44 AM


Re: candle2 church
Hi candle2
What was going on in the Earth while Satan was on the throne before Creation week? Have you a text for it?
There is abundant evidence for how old Earth is and you produce no evidence contrary. Have you read RAZD's threads on age correlations?

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Message 694 of 1864 (900188)
10-24-2022 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 691 by candle2
10-24-2022 1:01 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
The cell is indeed very complex. I am currently reading the textbook Becker's World of the Cell and almost every page has me shaking my head in almost disbelief.
But that does not mean "therefore recent creation".
For any postulated creator idea you have to take the full package. The Earth is old, the evidence for which is so far irrefutable. So any creator has produced life over a long time in a way that looks like evolution. Along the way there have been five major and many minor extinctions often associated with massive and prolonged outpourings of lava. At least one extinction is associated with one of the many asteroid strikes on the Earth.
The recovery of life after these looks like a struggle to reproduce biodiversity rather than fresh creations.
Most animal life forms live in fear of being eaten by other animals which often starts before they are even dead, or they are swallowed whole to die in the predator's digestive juices.
If humans are the pinnacle of creation they have still been around for tens to hundreds of thousands of years, taking a long while to reach the stage of actually starting to understand life, the Universe, and everything.
Along the way relatively recently we have the Black Death, Spanish flu, two world wars, Covid, and Trump.
So what game is the creator playing? Why so much misery for so many for so long? If Satan is causing the trouble why has he been allowed to do it for so long?

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Message 700 of 1864 (900208)
10-25-2022 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 697 by Dredge
10-25-2022 12:25 AM


Re: Satan Was The Fun One.
That is an interesting statistic Dredge. I wonder how many millions of people were surveyed for it and what criteria were used.
However I am seriously seeking information.
How exactly does Satan tempt and control someone. Does he have some omniscience so he knows who to target? How many can he control at once - is he omnipresent?
How does he exert his control? Can he manipulate brain cell activity to produce his desired results?
If he farms out some activities to the reputed large number of his fellow demons I wonder what things were like in the period after the Flood when there were thousands of demons for every human. No wonder they decided to build that tower!
As I said this is a serious request. No one has been able to explain it to me so far.

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Message 713 of 1864 (900256)
10-25-2022 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 706 by candle2
10-25-2022 9:38 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Candle2
You have zoomed in on a single word in my post and launched into a remarkable tirade, but let me correct some of your statements.
Contrary to the ideas of many Republicans, determining the sex of someone can be difficult. You can inspect the genitalia and not determine whether it is a cleft scrotum and a small penis, or abnormal labia and a large clitoris. Genetically the person could be XX, XY, or have other chromosome abnormalities.
One could have female external genitalia and internal testes due to testosterone resistance. Other condition exist also.
Those with indeterminate genitalia may be brought up as one sex maybe with corrective surgery but be emotionally the other.
Then gender dysphoria is a real condition with a higher risk of suicide than general population. Those are not treated by cutting of the penis or breasts off children but by giving puberty blockers to allow them do develop to an age where they can be more sure of what they want. Pressure on them from religious bigots can cause untold harm.
Reading the reports of the troubles some trans experience you realise it is not a life they choose on a whim, but something deep seated.
You have not addressed any of my other points. The age of the Earth is not speculative and if you can refute long age go to RAZD's Age Correlations and when you successfully disprove long age I will personally pay your first class fare to Stockholm for your Nobel.
Can you actually give us some time line for the Earth in your view?

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Message 715 of 1864 (900260)
10-25-2022 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 704 by Dredge
10-25-2022 8:42 AM


Re: Satan Was The Fun One.
Thank you Dredge for the references but they do not address my questions. For the sake of argument I am accepting the fact of Satan and demons. It is the actual mechanism by which Satan tempts or controls I want to know, and how he seems to be everywhere at once.

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