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Dredge
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Message 1516 of 1864 (908963)
03-24-2023 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1514 by AZPaul3
03-24-2023 12:14 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Xenu - a product of evolution.
Scientology and Darwinism - soul mates. So entertaining!

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candle2
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Message 1517 of 1864 (908964)
03-24-2023 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1512 by Phat
03-24-2023 8:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, Lucifer was the "light bearer." Jesus did not create
him as as evil entity. Vanity is what drove him to think that
he was more important than he actually was. It happened
over a period of time. Angels were created with free will.
David, in Psalms 51:11, implored God not to take His
Holy Spirit from him.
If the Holy Spirit is a distinct person, with its own mind,
personality, and consciousness, why wouldn't David have
simply asked him not to leave?
Luke 11:13 is clear that the Father gives the Holy Spirit
to those who ask for it. Do you know what this means?
It means that the Holy Spirit is not a person that comes
of its own conscious will. It is something that is given.
Peter did not express disapproval when Simon Magus
referred to the Holy Spirit as "power." Simon attempted
to purchase this power. Acts 8:18-20.
In all Paul's epistles he sent greetings/solutions from
the Father and Jesus Christ but never from the Holy Spirit.
We humans have a human spirit in us, but it is not another
person; neither is God's Spirit another person.
Christians are encouraged to increase the Holy Spirit
dwelling in us. If the Holy Spirit is a a person, how do we
increase the amount of him dwelling in us?
Either he is in us or not. There is no way to increase or
decrease the amount of a person dwelling in us.

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candle2
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Message 1518 of 1864 (908965)
03-24-2023 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1512 by Phat
03-24-2023 8:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, Lucifer was the "light bearer." Jesus did not create
him as as evil entity. Vanity is what drove him to think that
he was more important than he actually was. It happened
over a period of time. Angels were created with free will.
David, in Psalms 51:11, implored God not to take His
Holy Spirit from him.
If the Holy Spirit is a distinct person, with its own mind,
personality, and consciousness, why wouldn't David have
simply asked him not to leave?
Luke 11:13 is clear that the Father gives the Holy Spirit
to those who ask for it. Do you know what this means?
It means that the Holy Spirit is not a person that comes
of its own conscious will. It is something that is given.
Peter did not express disapproval when Simon Magus
referred to the Holy Spirit as "power." Simon attempted
to purchase this power. Acts 8:18-20.
In all Paul's epistles he sent greetings/solutions from
the Father and Jesus Christ but never from the Holy Spirit.
We humans have a human spirit in us, but it is not another
person; neither is God's Spirit another person.
Christians are encouraged to increase the Holy Spirit
dwelling in us. If the Holy Spirit is a a person, how do we
increase the amount of him dwelling in us?
Either he is in us or not. There is no way to increase or
decrease the amount of a person dwelling in us.

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candle2
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Message 1519 of 1864 (908966)
03-24-2023 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1512 by Phat
03-24-2023 8:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, with the Holy Spirit dwelling inside us we can
become one with Jesus and the Father. The Father
and Son are of the same mind and accord; so are those
who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.
Why are there no mention of the Holy Spirit in the
following verses?
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
John 14:20 "At that day you shall know that I am in my
Father, and you in Me, and I in you"
John 10:38 ..."that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
John 17:11 "And now I am no more in the world, but
these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father
keep through Your own name those whom You have
given Me, that they may be one, as We are."
John 17:21 "that they may be one, as You, Father, are in
Me, and I in You, that they also be one in Us..."
There is no mention of the trinity in these verses. Not
one single mention of the Holy Spirit.
How are Christians reconciled-become one-apart from
the Holy Spirit?
Why no mention of the Holy Spirit when it is claimed that
he is the only one of the three persons in us?
Sorry about the double post of my last message. I have
a couple of kittens climbing all over me.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1520 of 1864 (908968)
03-25-2023 1:41 AM


Holy Crap!
Holy Crap!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 1521 of 1864 (908969)
03-25-2023 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1517 by candle2
03-24-2023 4:56 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dependent on neutronium, the Asgard possessed a level of technology vastly superior to that of Goa'uld and many other races throughout the universe. Indeed, the only races with a level of technology comparable to the Asgard are the Ancients, the Ori, and possibly the Nox and Furlings.
Their ships were capable of traversing thousands of light years in minutes, and their shields could take multiple hits from Ori warships while remaining undamaged, which had never been done before.
Shortly before their extinction, the Asgard developed energy weapons capable of, with repeated strikes, defeating the shields of Ori warships, which had previously proved impervious to everything except the unstable vortex of the Ori's own Supergate. They had also mastered advanced transportation and holographic technology.
Asgard technology | SGCommand | Fandom

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1522 of 1864 (908970)
03-25-2023 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1518 by candle2
03-24-2023 4:56 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
A display of the incredible intelligence and understanding of an Asgard mind could be witnessed when Thor investigated Jack O'Neills creation and within a mere hour or so already knew exactly how the Ancient device worked, and how to improve it and Kvasir was fully aware how the Sangraal operated, and explained it to Samantha Carter, who admitted it was well beyond her understanding.
The Asgard have honored the Tau'ri on more than one occasion, naming their most advanced battleship the O'Neill and an advanced research vessel Daniel Jackson.
They lost the ability to reproduce by normal means; their species was dependent on a process of cloning and transferring the mind, although this caused a decay of the Asgard genome that eventually led to the species extinction.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1523 of 1864 (908971)
03-25-2023 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1519 by candle2
03-24-2023 6:00 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
While the Asgard maintained a great fleet of ships with extensive capabilities, they were altogether not a militaristic race and strongly disapproved of using technology aggressively.
For this reason, the beaming technology equipped on Tau'ri ships had many safeguards in place to prevent the transporters from beaming warheads aboard enemy ships (though this safeguard has since been removed).
When the Asgard realized that they were going to die and planned to commit mass suicide in order to prevent their technology from falling into the wrong hands, as it had with Ancient technology in the hands of the Goa'uld.
They summoned the Odyssey to Orilla in order to give new upgrades to the ship as well as the Asgard computer core so that the Tau'ri would have access to all of their technology as their legacy and as the Asgard felt that the Tau'ri were the Fifth Great Race and were the only hope for peace.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1524 of 1864 (908972)
03-25-2023 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1522 by AZPaul3
03-25-2023 1:47 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
You know there's still a human crew on a vessel with aa gate or am I remembering that wrong? Stargate Universe maybe?? It's late and I'm off to...

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Dredge
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Message 1525 of 1864 (908973)
03-25-2023 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1521 by AZPaul3
03-25-2023 1:44 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
Their ships were capable of traversing thousands of light years in minutes, and their shields could take multiple hits from Ori warships while remaining undamaged, which had never been done before.
So impressive.

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candle2
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Message 1526 of 1864 (908976)
03-25-2023 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1512 by Phat
03-24-2023 8:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, when God calls an individual He does not stop
there. Through the Holy Spirit God begins to fashion and
mold His character into them.
Notice Isaiah 64:8 "O Lord, You are the Father; we are the
clay, and You our potter; and we all are the work of Your
Hand."
It is a shame, but most people do not understand that
God actively works within those He has called.
Those called by God are to increase in understanding.
They are to grow in both knowledge and grace. They are
being trained for a great purpose.
Hebrews 2:11 "For both He that sanctifies (Jesus) and
they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause
He is not ashamed to call them brethren."
There will be no difference between Jesus and His
younger siblings, except that He will have greater
authority.
We will be of the God kind.
So many churches/denomination dismiss the simplicity
that is in Jesus Christ. They accept the dogma of the
trinity in various concepts.
The trinity limits God. It defines Him as being indefinable.
A three in one being rather than a family that can expand.
The main theme of the Bible is that we can be born
(at the resurrection) into the God Family.
The very terms of Father and Son(s) is synonymous with
family.

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Message 1527 of 1864 (908978)
03-25-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1525 by Dredge
03-25-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZStoryteller is just trying to show that he can tell a story as well or better than we can. Him and his fellow rebels refuse to believe the story that we tell, showing that their imaginations are quite capable of creating what for them are superior alternatives. You best light a candle for them. (and one for us too, as we are nothing without our higher power.)

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candle2
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Message 1528 of 1864 (908980)
03-25-2023 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1523 by AZPaul3
03-25-2023 1:49 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I see that you live in Phoenix. I rented a house on
Camelback for nearly a year before moving to Tucson
for six months. 1979-1980.
I remember my first drive up Superstitious Mountain. A
car going up almost forced me off the road on my way
down. Scared the crap out of me.
I enjoyed my stay there, as I did in Tucson.
At that time I was really into Louis L'Amour westerns.
Several of his books had settings in Arizona.
I visited Old Tucson and Tombstone while I was there.
I also remember the Lucky Supermarkets. I don't recall
seeing them anywhere but Arizona.
I have very fond memories of Arizona.

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Dredge
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Message 1529 of 1864 (908982)
03-25-2023 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1527 by Phat
03-25-2023 11:12 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling obviously loves his science-fiction ... including evolution. Poor bugger - he lives in a dream-world.

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candle2
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Message 1530 of 1864 (908986)
03-25-2023 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1512 by Phat
03-24-2023 8:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, I cannot count the number of times that those
"called" by God are referred to as His sons, or His
children.
Notice Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more
strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the
saints, and of the household (oikeios-of His house)
of God.
Romans 8:16-17 "The spirit itself bears witness with our
Spirit, that we are the children of God."
"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs
with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may
be also glorified together."-exalted in dignity.
Any parent will have heirs of all they own. This is the
same with God. His children will inherit all that He has,
including the vast universe.
His children will be on the same par with Jesus. We will
be joint-heirs with Him.
Joint-heirs (sugkleronomos) co-heirs, heirs together,
heirs with, participants in common.
None of the angels are on the same par with Jesus.
None of them are joint-heirs with Him.
Paul tell us in 1Corinthians 6:3 that we shall judge angels.
We will be above the angels. We will be sons of God.
It is almost criminal to insist that sons of God are to be
of a lesser quality than He Himself is.
His sons will become members of the God family. They
will in facts become God beings.

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