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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Xenu - a product of evolution.
Scientology and Darwinism - soul mates. So entertaining!
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Phat, Lucifer was the "light bearer." Jesus did not create
him as as evil entity. Vanity is what drove him to think that he was more important than he actually was. It happened over a period of time. Angels were created with free will. David, in Psalms 51:11, implored God not to take HisHoly Spirit from him. If the Holy Spirit is a distinct person, with its own mind,personality, and consciousness, why wouldn't David have simply asked him not to leave? Luke 11:13 is clear that the Father gives the Holy Spiritto those who ask for it. Do you know what this means? It means that the Holy Spirit is not a person that comesof its own conscious will. It is something that is given. Peter did not express disapproval when Simon Magusreferred to the Holy Spirit as "power." Simon attempted to purchase this power. Acts 8:18-20. In all Paul's epistles he sent greetings/solutions fromthe Father and Jesus Christ but never from the Holy Spirit. We humans have a human spirit in us, but it is not anotherperson; neither is God's Spirit another person. Christians are encouraged to increase the Holy Spiritdwelling in us. If the Holy Spirit is a a person, how do we increase the amount of him dwelling in us? Either he is in us or not. There is no way to increase ordecrease the amount of a person dwelling in us.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, Lucifer was the "light bearer." Jesus did not create
him as as evil entity. Vanity is what drove him to think that he was more important than he actually was. It happened over a period of time. Angels were created with free will. David, in Psalms 51:11, implored God not to take HisHoly Spirit from him. If the Holy Spirit is a distinct person, with its own mind,personality, and consciousness, why wouldn't David have simply asked him not to leave? Luke 11:13 is clear that the Father gives the Holy Spiritto those who ask for it. Do you know what this means? It means that the Holy Spirit is not a person that comesof its own conscious will. It is something that is given. Peter did not express disapproval when Simon Magusreferred to the Holy Spirit as "power." Simon attempted to purchase this power. Acts 8:18-20. In all Paul's epistles he sent greetings/solutions fromthe Father and Jesus Christ but never from the Holy Spirit. We humans have a human spirit in us, but it is not anotherperson; neither is God's Spirit another person. Christians are encouraged to increase the Holy Spiritdwelling in us. If the Holy Spirit is a a person, how do we increase the amount of him dwelling in us? Either he is in us or not. There is no way to increase ordecrease the amount of a person dwelling in us.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, with the Holy Spirit dwelling inside us we can
become one with Jesus and the Father. The Father and Son are of the same mind and accord; so are those who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. Why are there no mention of the Holy Spirit in thefollowing verses? John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." John 14:20 "At that day you shall know that I am in myFather, and you in Me, and I in you" John 10:38 ..."that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." John 17:11 "And now I am no more in the world, butthese are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father keep through Your own name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are." John 17:21 "that they may be one, as You, Father, are inMe, and I in You, that they also be one in Us..." There is no mention of the trinity in these verses. Notone single mention of the Holy Spirit. How are Christians reconciled-become one-apart fromthe Holy Spirit? Why no mention of the Holy Spirit when it is claimed thathe is the only one of the three persons in us? Sorry about the double post of my last message. I havea couple of kittens climbing all over me.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4447 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Holy Crap!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8562 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Dependent on neutronium, the Asgard possessed a level of technology vastly superior to that of Goa'uld and many other races throughout the universe. Indeed, the only races with a level of technology comparable to the Asgard are the Ancients, the Ori, and possibly the Nox and Furlings.
Their ships were capable of traversing thousands of light years in minutes, and their shields could take multiple hits from Ori warships while remaining undamaged, which had never been done before. Shortly before their extinction, the Asgard developed energy weapons capable of, with repeated strikes, defeating the shields of Ori warships, which had previously proved impervious to everything except the unstable vortex of the Ori's own Supergate. They had also mastered advanced transportation and holographic technology. Asgard technology | SGCommand | FandomStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8562 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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A display of the incredible intelligence and understanding of an Asgard mind could be witnessed when Thor investigated Jack O'Neills creation and within a mere hour or so already knew exactly how the Ancient device worked, and how to improve it and Kvasir was fully aware how the Sangraal operated, and explained it to Samantha Carter, who admitted it was well beyond her understanding.
The Asgard have honored the Tau'ri on more than one occasion, naming their most advanced battleship the O'Neill and an advanced research vessel Daniel Jackson. They lost the ability to reproduce by normal means; their species was dependent on a process of cloning and transferring the mind, although this caused a decay of the Asgard genome that eventually led to the species extinction.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8562 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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While the Asgard maintained a great fleet of ships with extensive capabilities, they were altogether not a militaristic race and strongly disapproved of using technology aggressively.
For this reason, the beaming technology equipped on Tau'ri ships had many safeguards in place to prevent the transporters from beaming warheads aboard enemy ships (though this safeguard has since been removed). When the Asgard realized that they were going to die and planned to commit mass suicide in order to prevent their technology from falling into the wrong hands, as it had with Ancient technology in the hands of the Goa'uld. They summoned the Odyssey to Orilla in order to give new upgrades to the ship as well as the Asgard computer core so that the Tau'ri would have access to all of their technology as their legacy and as the Asgard felt that the Tau'ri were the Fifth Great Race and were the only hope for peace.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4447 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You know there's still a human crew on a vessel with aa gate or am I remembering that wrong? Stargate Universe maybe?? It's late and I'm off to...
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling666 writes:
So impressive.
Their ships were capable of traversing thousands of light years in minutes, and their shields could take multiple hits from Ori warships while remaining undamaged, which had never been done before.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, when God calls an individual He does not stop
there. Through the Holy Spirit God begins to fashion and mold His character into them. Notice Isaiah 64:8 "O Lord, You are the Father; we are theclay, and You our potter; and we all are the work of Your Hand." It is a shame, but most people do not understand thatGod actively works within those He has called. Those called by God are to increase in understanding.They are to grow in both knowledge and grace. They are being trained for a great purpose. Hebrews 2:11 "For both He that sanctifies (Jesus) andthey who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren." There will be no difference between Jesus and Hisyounger siblings, except that He will have greater authority. We will be of the God kind. So many churches/denomination dismiss the simplicitythat is in Jesus Christ. They accept the dogma of the trinity in various concepts. The trinity limits God. It defines Him as being indefinable.A three in one being rather than a family that can expand. The main theme of the Bible is that we can be born(at the resurrection) into the God Family. The very terms of Father and Son(s) is synonymous withfamily.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZStoryteller is just trying to show that he can tell a story as well or better than we can. Him and his fellow rebels refuse to believe the story that we tell, showing that their imaginations are quite capable of creating what for them are superior alternatives. You best light a candle for them. (and one for us too, as we are nothing without our higher power.)
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
AZ, I see that you live in Phoenix. I rented a house on
Camelback for nearly a year before moving to Tucson for six months. 1979-1980. I remember my first drive up Superstitious Mountain. Acar going up almost forced me off the road on my way down. Scared the crap out of me. I enjoyed my stay there, as I did in Tucson. At that time I was really into Louis L'Amour westerns.Several of his books had settings in Arizona. I visited Old Tucson and Tombstone while I was there. I also remember the Lucky Supermarkets. I don't recallseeing them anywhere but Arizona. I have very fond memories of Arizona.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling obviously loves his science-fiction ... including evolution. Poor bugger - he lives in a dream-world.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, I cannot count the number of times that those
"called" by God are referred to as His sons, or His children. Notice Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no morestrangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household (oikeios-of His house) of God. Romans 8:16-17 "The spirit itself bears witness with ourSpirit, that we are the children of God." "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirswith Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together."-exalted in dignity. Any parent will have heirs of all they own. This is thesame with God. His children will inherit all that He has, including the vast universe. His children will be on the same par with Jesus. We willbe joint-heirs with Him. Joint-heirs (sugkleronomos) co-heirs, heirs together,heirs with, participants in common. None of the angels are on the same par with Jesus.None of them are joint-heirs with Him. Paul tell us in 1Corinthians 6:3 that we shall judge angels. We will be above the angels. We will be sons of God. It is almost criminal to insist that sons of God are to beof a lesser quality than He Himself is. His sons will become members of the God family. Theywill in facts become God beings.
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