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Message 1531 of 1864 (908989)
03-25-2023 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1530 by candle2
03-25-2023 4:54 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
The Intelligent Design proponents make a compelling, and totally legitimate, argument that if a theory has not been proven, then one suggested theory is just as good as another. The Flying Spaghetti Monster made the platypus because, unlike scientists, He has a sense of humor. It’s an unlikely sign from God--and until someone can prove us wrong, that’s our theory.
Today Plato is nearly forgotten. His beliefs include the notion that people who govern should be intelligent, rational, self-controlled, and in love with wisdom, an idea that has long been discredited.
It appears that a college education has been given an artificially high price tag in order to leave students with little money left over for the basic requirements of living. Burdened by poverty, students are induced to drink cheap beer and eat pasta -- in short, they are forced to act like Pirates and Pastafarians--and we can only conclude that this is some part of His greater plan to spread FSMism.
What we’re told of Pirates in history books today is blatantly wrong. Thieves and outcasts they were not--these were His Chosen People, the ones who listened and followed His divine plan, whatever it was.
Try us for thirty days and if you don’t like us, your God will most likely take you back. This is an important detail in spreading His Word. If it works for infomercials, it will definitely work for religion. The God-back guarantee should always be offered up front.
The Gospel Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1532 of 1864 (908990)
03-25-2023 7:35 PM
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03-25-2023 11:28 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I see that you live in Phoenix. I rented a house ...
I see you live in
I've never been there.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1533 of 1864 (908991)
03-25-2023 7:53 PM
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03-25-2023 7:35 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, my bad. I thought you were from Phoenix.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1534 of 1864 (908992)
03-25-2023 8:06 PM
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03-25-2023 7:53 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Sorry. I am. I was referring to you.

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Message 1535 of 1864 (908993)
03-25-2023 8:11 PM
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03-25-2023 7:27 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, you have no idea what God is like.
Any comment you make about Him is way off the
mark.
Learn who and what He is before commenting
about Him.
When you don't it makes you appear ignorant.
Personally, I do not care whether you believe in Him
or not. It has no effect on me. Nor does it have any
effect on God.
I don't believe in the tooth fairy. But, I am not going
to devote my life trying to prove that he doesn't exist.
A person would, by necessity, be a little off his rocker
to consume his life with someone that he doesn't even
think exists.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1536 of 1864 (908995)
03-25-2023 8:47 PM
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03-25-2023 8:11 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, you have no idea what God is like.
Of course not. Your god is a personal conception as unique as any other. I can never know how crazy-deep a god-fantasy can be. Each is different.
Learn who and what He is before commenting
about Him.

When you don't it makes you appear ignorant.
Oh I am indeed ignorant of your god just as you are ignorant of Dredge's god just as he is ignorant of Phat's god who is ignorant of Spinoza's god and on it goes.
That's what happens when everyone's god is a personal fake.
A person would, by necessity, be a little off his rocker
to consume his life with someone that he doesn't even
think exists.
Then why are you in here proselytising for a ghost?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1537 of 1864 (909009)
03-26-2023 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1536 by AZPaul3
03-25-2023 8:47 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I know about my God. But, you don't.
Can you even read? I stated that someone would be off
his rocker to devote his attention to someone that he doesn't
even believe exists.
I know that God exists. It is beyond belief.
Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father:
and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth
any man the Father, save the Son, and He to whomsoever the
Son will reveal Him."
I am not sure of all that Phat and Dredge believe. I know that
they believe in the God of the Bible.
I have stated several times that God is not trying to save the
world during this present age. He is calling people out and
training them to be part of His government when Christ comes
back.
When He returns and sets up His Kingdom He will raise in the
first resurrection those that He called out down through the
centuries. They will be under Christ, but they will rule with Him.

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Message 1538 of 1864 (909038)
03-27-2023 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1537 by candle2
03-26-2023 12:56 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
If Jesus is not God, please explain this verse:
"The Jews answered him [Jesus], “We stone you for no good work but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:33)

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Message 1539 of 1864 (909044)
03-27-2023 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1538 by Dredge
03-27-2023 9:54 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, Jesus is God. Thomas called Him my Lord and
my God.
The Father Himself called Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8.
"But unto the Son He said, Thy throne O God, is for ever
and ever..."
Psalms 110: 1
The Lord said to my Lord, sit thou at my right hand, until
I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Vs. 4 "Thou are a priest for ever after the order of
Melchizedek."
"Melchizedek was without father, without mother,
without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor
end of life..." Hebrews 7:3.
Melchizadek was the same God who later came to earth
as Jesus.
Just like the Father, Melchizedek (Jesus) has always
existed.
Jesus is the Word in John 1:1-2 "In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word.
was God."
"The same was in the beginning with God."
There are two beings here. There is no way around this.
Both of them are God.
Suppose one was talking about John Smith.
In the building was John, and John was with Smith,
and John was Smith.
John was in the building with his father, Bill Smith.
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus because He told
them in John 8:59 that before Abraham was, "I AM"
I AM is who God (Jesus) told Moses that He was. The
Jews knew what Jesus meant by this but they did not
believe Him. They tried to stone Him.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1540 of 1864 (909081)
03-27-2023 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1537 by candle2
03-26-2023 12:56 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I know about my God. But, you don't.
As it should be. Yes, if your brain is injured to the point you believe in a god then it should be no issue if you attribute it some imaginary godly powers that I would not.
That's one of the joys of god ownership. They can be anything you want them to be.
I know that God exists. It is beyond belief.​
No you don't. And a god certainly is a conjure of mind hanging there ONLY by the thread of belief. You may feel deep in your heart that you "know", feel the presence, commune with the holies, you may even hear them in your head or have visions but these are just your emotions playing with your injured mind, not reality at all.
I know that
they believe in the God of the Bible.
Well that narrows it down to a few thousand.
The rest of your post was more delusional fantasy. Nothing real there either.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1541 of 1864 (909086)
03-28-2023 1:55 AM
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03-27-2023 11:29 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling writes:
You may feel deep in your heart that you "know", feel the presence, commune with the holies, you may even hear them in your head or have visions but these are just your emotions playing with your injured mind, not reality at all.
Wait ... was in not your psychiatrist who said your mind is "one of the most damaged, broken and dysfunctional" he's ever encountered?

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Message 1542 of 1864 (909099)
03-28-2023 10:40 AM
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03-27-2023 9:54 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, I would like to know why the RCC claim that
Peter was the first Pope (Bishop of Rome). I have strong
evidence that Peter was never in Rome.
Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles. Peter was Apostle
to the Jews.

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Message 1543 of 1864 (909108)
03-28-2023 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1542 by candle2
03-28-2023 10:40 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
I would like to know why the RCC claim that
Peter was the first Pope
For starters, it was to Peter alone that Jesus gave "the keys of the kingdom of heaven" in Matt 16:19.
And the very first time Jesus met Simon, Jesus told him that his name would be changed to Cephas, which means "rock" (John 1:42). This makes no sense until Matt 16:18, where Jesus says he will make Peter the "rock" on which he will build his church.
There is further evidence in the Scriptires that Jesus chose Peter to be the leader of the Apostles and the early Church.
(Bishop of Rome). I have strong evidence that Peter was never in Rome.
No you don't ... what you have is a bunch of lies invented by enemies of God's Church.
Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles. Peter was Apostle to the Jews.
... and Scripture says Paul was under the authority of Peter ... see Galatians 2:1-10, for example.
Hopefully, this link will set you straight:
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

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Message 1544 of 1864 (909120)
03-28-2023 12:45 PM
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03-28-2023 11:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, there was a Simon in Rome, but it wasn't Simon
Peter; it was Simon Magus, the magician.
Numerous ecclesiastical writers of the 2nd Century give
info negating Peter as Bishop of Rome. The majority of
scholars admit this. The exception are Conservatives
Catholics.
Peter being in Rome was not promulgated until the 4th
Century.
Paul was never under Peter. In fact, Paul confronted
Peter to his face in Gal. 2:11-14.
Paul confronted Peter for pulling away from the Gentiles
when certain others Jews would show up.
Once again, Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles-the
uncircumcised. Peter was the Apostles to the Jews-
the circumcised. Ephesians 2:7-8.
The Church was built upon Christ. He was the chief
cornerstone and it's very foundation. It is not the church
of Peter. It is the church of God.
Peter never died for anyone. His blood was no different
than that of any other man.
Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the
earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Jesus was not telling His followers not to call their
biological dad father. He was telling them not to call
a religious leader "father."

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Message 1545 of 1864 (909134)
03-28-2023 2:13 PM
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03-28-2023 11:26 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, some, especially the RCC, use certain Bible
verses to show that they have power to forgive sin.
For example, John 20:23 "Whose soever sins ye remit,
They are remitted unto them; and whose soever sin ye
retain, they are retained."
This can be a difficult verse to understand. But we must
keep some in mind.
Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am He that blots out thy
transgressions for my own sake, and will not remember
thy sins."
Mark 2:7 "...who can forgive sin but God only."
1John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and
just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness."
Several Bible translations have it worded a bit
differently.
For example: "Whatever you forbid on earth must be
what is already forbidden in heaven."
"Whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in
heaven."
"Whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in
heaven."
The Apostles were full of the Holy Spirit. The spirit led
life is led by judgement from God.
We know that the Apostles led Spirit filled lives. However,
they did not have authority to change God's laws.
One example of what this verse means is found in 1 Cor.
51-6. Paul told the church at Corinth that a man who
was indulging in immoral sexuality with his mother-in-
law should be removed from the church. He was causing
dissention in the church.
In 2Cor. 2:6-7 Paul advised the church at Corinth that they
ought to forgive him. The man's punishment had brought
him much sorrow. The man had received forgiveness from
God after repenting.
Paul, led by the Spirit, was instructed by God that the
man had bee forgiven.
Paul did not have the authority to forgive the man. But
God let Paul know that the man had been forgiven.
The Apostles were responsible for the churches they
started.

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