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ringo Member  Posts: 16136 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
There is evil that has nothing to do with free will: parasitic worms, for example.
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Phat Member  Posts: 12042 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 12042 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member Posts: 16136 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
So He's not omniscient.
You're missing the point of the analogy. If He created the evil, He's responsible for the consequences.
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Tangle Member  Posts: 6615 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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Remove god entirely and you don't have a problem. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 12042 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member Posts: 16136 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
You're shooting yourself in the foot. There was never any need to create "Satan".
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Phat Member Posts: 12042 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
 Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
So am I. God creates, and evil exists of necessity and not because it is the will of God or the purpose of God. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Worms are not evil. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1365 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Too much hot air balloon sermons are part of the problem, but perhaps I just lost myself as to what this is based on scripturally.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 374 days)  Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
But this thread is on the trinity, and not really about your short comings and failures to understand. Nevertheless if you have a question, make it straight foreward and use maybe more than one sentence in your asking. Thanks David (PS this is the only free board, so do ask HEREIN, for an OPEN answer) Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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ringo Member Posts: 16136 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Of course they are. Evil results don't require evil intentions.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Perhaps we've found our point of disagreement. Evil requires intention, although the intention may not be to do evil. A rock randomly falling from a hill is not evil even if it squashes someone. A person pushing said rock down a hill in a situation where he knows or recklessly ignores that someone will be killed is evil. In your view, is a cheetah killing a gazelle evil? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Davidjay Suspended Member (Idle past 374 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Amazing how some people are allowed to get so far off topic without rebuke or chastisement while others are suppose to tow the party line and stay strictly ON TOPIC. So back to the topic, the trinity... Father, Son and Holy Spirit, for these three are ONE, equal because they are ONE. He that rejects the Son, rejects the Father, and rejects the Holy Ghost who witnessed the Father and Son, etc etc... Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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