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Are you suggesting that the faith and belief forum is where waffling about nonsense is an acceptable replacement for an argument.

Bad analogy: God didn't paint pictures of zebras; He created zebras. If zebras are evil, He created evil. If ebola is evil, He created evil. Even if ebola isn't evil per se, if it does evil, He is responsible. Your point is still wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it.

I'm suggesting that people who post statements of belief in the Faith and Belief forum don't deserve to be accused of "waffling about nonsense"and that you should not consider yourself above the question mark.Jon

They do if they they post waffle and nonsense. Sheesh, are your arguments reduced to nit-picking grammar now? ...... Here's a superfluous one for then next time. ? Feel free to stick it where you like. I have a suggestion if you don't know where.

Creating the possibility of evil does not make the Creator evil.Choosing which attributes you wish to emulate was only made possible by virtue of the fact that the Creator did not make ypu only able to behave in a singular and limited fashion.Had the Creator made it so that you were destined to only act out a limited trait, that limitation imposed on you would make you doomed and Him evil.On the other hand, had the Creator made it so that you would never experience evil, He may well have done you a disservice by limiting the scope of your experience.You can call Him evil if you like, and I will always disagree with you.

Digging a hole for people to fall into is evil. I'm willing to give up the experience of war, famine, genocide, etc. You could at least try to be consistent. You want Sky Daddy to take care of you so you never have to grow up but you also want to take the responsibility whenever Sky Daddy doesn't take care of you.

I could say the same about you. You want humans to be responsible for their behavior and claim that the gods don't listen anyway...and yet you pin the label on God as being responsible for evil. In essence, you believe that if there is one God, he is evil and that we humans are better off without him. Wonder who whispered that logic into your ear?One more thing: Being in communion with God does not mean that we never grow up. I could be in communion with a bank via a personal trust and it wouldnt mean that I couldnt count. It would simply mean that I and the bank had a common interest---managing my money. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

No, I'm saying that you are describing an evil God. Star Trek. But it would mean that your count doesn't count.

None of those things are caused by God creating the earth. The earth will support 7 billion people who don't have to go to war with each other or kill each other.The alternative, as I see it is a world without human beings at all.

Try to keep up. I was responding to Phat's Message 95:

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On the other hand, had the Creator made it so that you would never experience evil, He may well have done you a disservice by limiting the scope of your experience.

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which seems to suggest that God created "the possibility of evil" to broaden our range of experiences. My response was that He was doing us no favour.

Life evolved on this planet. Evolution happens because there is a competition for resources. That means a world with human life and no strife is impossible. That could only be attained if we were actually specially created in the way Creationists expect.Not having or allowing evolution would be a disservice.

Tell it to Phat.

allowing the possibility of evil as a choice would actually compliment evolution, as the weaker people would fall in the hole and the stronger ones would avoid it.

So picking on the weak is not evil?Why couldn't God avoid creating evil by creating a world that didn't evolve?

Interesting line of thought.
TED Global had a talk on Optical illusions show how we see. This fun, first-hand look at your own versatile sense of sight reveals how evolution tints your perception of what's really out there. One of the oft quoted remarks from this talk was "The brain didn't evolve to see the world as it is. It evolved to see the world as it was useful to see it." As it is a fact that we have evolved, the question as to why God didnt do it differently is actually rhetorical in the sense that we logically would want a God that was useful for ourselves. Would the absence of evolution be useful? Would you want to watch beauty contests with hairy women? Would you want to live exactly the same way your ancient ancestors lived? And....more to the point...is clubbing your neighbor over the head to steal the limited food supply for your own offspring evil?