Mary in the Roman Catholic Church - intercession or idolatry?

Hi, Trixie. It looks as if this topic is now launched and in the water! One suggestion that I have for you is that since you are the originator of this topic, feel free to grab some quotes from those old threads that you were talking about. You can then respond to those quotes and continue THIS topic along its merry (no pun intended) way.Here is my opinion on the topic as stated: I am not a Catholic. I suspect that Faith is not one, either.
I look at the church as one body, however. To me, catholic means universal. Thus, the church is the Bride of Christ. The church is not limited to any denomination. The church is not merely the Roman Catholics. The church is the ones whom God chose and who chose Him back. Good point, Trixie.This message has been edited by Phat, 10-10-2005 08:56 AM

Has the Roman Catholic church given Mary that title officially? Intercessor...not idol! Then why worry about it?This message has been edited by Phat, 10-10-2005 10:07 AM

True that putting anything in the place of God is a worry...it is sin defined. Yet we ALL do it.
Harping on a female interceesor instead of a male intercessor is not conducive to spiritual acceptance. God judges the heart, and each individual has to give account. It is not our place to worry about the Catholics.

So why call yourself anything? Why not call yourself human and join the planet?I know what you are trying to say, Faith. My question is this:
Why are you saying it? Is it helpful? Is it conducive to discussion?Who am I to say that my friend idolizes football, for example? Even if he does not go to church and watches the N.F.L. on sundays?Maybe in his own way of life, he thinks that waiting for that special hail mary pass is equivalent to hearing the local preacher, whom some idolize, talk of Hell and Death for those heathen who don't go to church.As for Mary in the church, my Mom is named Mary.

I'm just picking on you! Trying to stir you up a bit. Getting you to think.I respect the research that goes into your posts in some ways.My question that I ask myself when I compile information is why I am compiling it.Do I seek to entertain? Enlighten? Inform? or Persuade?Perhaps Trixie can respond before you or I carry her post off topic.
Lets wait for her to join in on the discussion.

Good point, nwr. Makes sense to me.This message has been edited by Phat, 10-10-2005 02:21 PM

Faith, I think that we should look at this another way. You say: We could say that a few million Protestants who think that a prayer hankie sent to them through the mail and placed on a sick person will heal that sick person is not also idolatry? http://www.hosanna.com.au/test/test2.htm Of course, this is one of those unknown Pastors on the internet.I say that we let the Catholic/Protestant debate end! There are no winners.Now...about that whole mediation/intercession thing.If I ask another Christian to pray for me, are they not mediating? Are they not interceding? Am I aware that they are mere humans? Why do I need them to pray for me? Why can't I just pray for myself?

So you are saying that if someone who should know better starts off a prayer by saying Hail Mary..it is as if they expect a dead woman to hear them?Or are you suggesting that they may believe that she is alive, kickin it in Heaven with that other Saint of lost causes...whats his name? Jude? John Lennon wrote a song about Hey Jude....I wonder if thats the same as Hail Mary??
But we do have information about John Lennon. Translation: What I said is NOT what you mean't. Translation: Score: Notre Dame: 7 Elves and Hobbits: 7 We have a tie game! Will reality pull it out with a Hail Mary, or will the wise ones from Europe conjure up a potion to pull this one out? Hail Faith, full of Grace, ..... Go on, my son. Confession is good for the soul! I can't hear the question! I've got Hey Jude turned up full blast! *Blink*I cannot believe that you said that.This is serious discussion! Here is another piece of evidence: Am I off Topic Yet? Well whoever killed John Lennon may have been worried that he was an antichrist...and so killing him was the only proper thing for a deluded man to do! *sigh!* Well..if Jesus is in Heaven sitting next to Dad, why not just ask Dad for help? So if I were to ask Pastor Benny Hinn to heal my crippled daughter and I gave him $100.00 in good faith, would I consider him a local god? Local 7 Communion. We know who our head is. We know where He/She is seated.
We are not sexist!Both Gods "Mum" and Gods Son are in communion. Some, such as I, believe that the Son is in communion on a Monotheistic level and the Mum, Mary is in communion on a different level. How can we forget One whom we do not see? Perhaps He is the true Intercessor!

Hi, Mr. Ex Nihilo! I think that this post that you made was informative, if a bit long! This topic has been cleared up from both sides..(Catholic and Protestant)Unless Trixie has any further observations...