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Topic: A question that was first presented by Socrates.
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dpardo
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Pink Sasquatch writes: But in the Bible He goes back on his word, by commanding people to violate His commandments. Where in the bible does God do this?
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 242 of 314 (152867)
10-25-2004 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 241 by dpardo
10-25-2004 7:00 PM
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Pink Sasquatch: But in the Bible He goes back on his word, by commanding people to violate His commandments. dpardo: Where in the bible does God do this? Using just the edict against killing as an example:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. Check this site for about fifty instances chronologically following Exodus 20 where God commands murder (including genocide, murder based on intolerance, and specific instances commanding the murder of babies and children). An example that satisfies all three of these conditions:
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18)
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dpardo
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You, sir, are quote mining. Read the entire chapter of Isaiah 13.
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dpardo
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BTW, I have already seen the site that you posted the link to. Again, more quote mining.
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 245 of 314 (152876)
10-25-2004 7:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 243 by dpardo
10-25-2004 7:55 PM
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I have, and I don't think I am. Dismiss Isaiah if you like, there are still the other 49 or so examples to deal with...
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dpardo
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Can you please post one example (at a time) that supports your statement so that we might examine it?
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 247 of 314 (152878)
10-25-2004 7:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 244 by dpardo
10-25-2004 7:57 PM
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Again, more quote mining. So in every single instance listed, the quote is taken out of context, and God never commanded the killing of anyone? I don't think so.
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General Nazort
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Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. The Hebrew word used is for murder. There is a different word for kill, which is not used.
If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?
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General Nazort
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beg to differ. I see no moral obligation to not be a passifist in certain situation. Remember this active and passive killing thing we were talking about in the abortion thread? I think this is where the differences in our opinion get in the way. I never read the abortion thread, so I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. I agree, in certain situations one should not be a passifist.
If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?
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dpardo
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Pink Sasquatch writes: So in every single instance listed, the quote is taken out of context, and God never commanded the killing of anyone? I don't think so. As I said, please post the verse(s) that support your statements so that we can examine them one at a time.
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dpardo
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Hi General Nazort!
General Nazort writes: The Hebrew word used is for murder. There is a different word for kill, which is not used. Thank you for your help.
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dpardo
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Message 252 of 314 (152889)
10-25-2004 8:31 PM
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Thanks to everyone who has participated so far. I am going off-line now but I look forward to your responses and will be back later on today or tomorrow. Mods, are we going off-topic?
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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riverrat wrote:
I do not have the answer to as how it all works
That doesn't sound like I am claiming one way or the other does it?
Why did God make me in such a way to prevent me from becoming close to Him?
Your parents or your up-bringing made you the way you are, and you made yourself the way you are. Thats why sin is inherent. Its up to you to break the chain, and become new. Then your family will be blessed for generations. Same goes for hindus and muslims, etc.
But in the Bible He goes back on his word, by commanding people to violate His commandments.
What verses specifically?
What if you are wrong? You've said we can't understand God's will/capabilities/intentions - so perhaps you are going against God's will in your decisions, and will be punished in the afterlife.
I am not perfect, God knows that. But so far so good. I know exactly in my heart what I will be punished for.
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 254 of 314 (152942)
10-25-2004 11:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 253 by riVeRraT
10-25-2004 8:38 PM
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Your parents or your up-bringing made you the way you are, and you made yourself the way you are...
Same goes for hindus and muslims, etc. God isn't very fair then, He gives all of those people born into devout Christian homes and Christian communities and Christian countries such an advantage...
Thats why sin is inherent. So God created us with "inherent sin", but punishes us for our sins?
Its up to you to break the chain, and become new. Then your family will be blessed for generations. Hey! This sounds like an upper class Republican argument! If I'm saved then my kid doesn't have to work as hard to be blessed? What about the Death Tax?
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 255 of 314 (152945)
10-25-2004 11:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 250 by dpardo
10-25-2004 8:08 PM
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Out of curiosity, if asked prior to General Nazort's comments to recite the Ten Commandments, would you have said "Thou shalt not kill", or "Thou shalt not murder"?
As I said, please post the verse(s) that support your statements so that we can examine them one at a time. I think it is a bit silly to examine fifty statements one at a time when only one of them needs to be correct to create the contradiction I stated. It would make more sense, in my mind, for you to scan the list and honestly reply if not a single one included command by God to murder. I picked one at random anyway:
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) How is this defensible? Killing a community for the sins of the few? Even if you support capital punishment, I'm guessing you wouldn't support this kind of act. Mass murder is what is described here.
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