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Fallen
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Message 3 of 80 (510366)
05-30-2009 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Meldinoor
05-30-2009 2:08 AM


3. If a valid reason to doubt evolution ever did come along, it would be ridiculed as anti-science and associated with creationism.
Meldinoor writes:
Inflicting doubt among believers by claiming that the only way to interpret the Bible is from a Young Earth Perspective, forcing them to choose between their faith and scientific evidence.
I experienced this a couple of years after I joined the debate. People I respected had always told me that evolution was an obviously false idea promoted by atheists to undermine Genesis. I believed them. Then I joined a debate forum like this one. I found out, over the course of two years, why young earth creationism isn’t a scientifically defensible position. One person in particular, an agnostic biologist, was particularly helpful. He walked me through most of the debate, point by point. After those two years were over, I was ready to reject both creationism and my faith.
At that point, out of curiosity, I got a copy of Darwin’s Blackbox from the library. Frankly, that book changed the course of my life. Unlike any of the dozen or so YEC books I had read, Behe took the time to extensively discuss the objections to his work. After reading the book and going through his online articles, I was able to present a reasonably defensible case for intelligent design to the same evolutionary biologist who had shredded my creationist beliefs. Afterwords, I continued to study other aspects of ID and became more open minded about Genesis.

Forgive me, Father, for I know not what I do.

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Fallen
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Message 7 of 80 (510479)
05-31-2009 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Taz
05-30-2009 6:30 PM


The topic of this thread is the effectiveness of creationism, not irreducible complexity or Taz's opinions about me. In that light, I think its best to simply point out that the "argument from ignorance" misunderstanding has been pretty widely discussed by the ID camp. If you actually read Behe's argument, it becomes pretty clear than the it takes the form of an inference to the best explanation. (which is based on knowledge, not ignorance)
Edited by Fallen, : grammar

Forgive me, Father, for I know not what I do.

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Fallen
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Message 10 of 80 (510604)
06-01-2009 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Taz
06-01-2009 4:31 PM


Taz writes:
As far as the part about you, I just wanted to point out how you demonstrated perfectly how the intelligent movement has attracted the creationist crowd and therefore effectively shooting themselves in their collective foot. After all, didn't you say that ID openned your mind again to genesis? That's exactly what IDists claim they don't want.
I don't understand. How do you go from my statement that "I became open minded about Genesis" to the idea that "intelligent design promotes a creationist view point?" In my opinion, the creationists are very close minded about Genesis, in the same way that I once was. Intelligent design, on the other hand, has nothing to say about Genesis.

Forgive me, Father, for I know not what I do.

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