Slavery

What are you saying? sin is sin?Aprently beating a slave was not a sin. I want to know why, thats all.And if you have a problem with survival of the fittest, then you need a wake up call, because it still goes on today, but on a different level, and maybe not as severe.Thou shall not even look at another man in anger?That's not what I had pictured when monkeysfighting wold have to beat his slave for being disobedient. I pictured a regretful thing, but necessary for survival. The thing is we can't understand it. Calm down Chris, I am not an animal, I am just very open minded.

Monkey's fighting? Monkeys have Slaves?I think you should clear up how you use the term "monkey".

The EvC member that uses that alias.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't know how you want to break down the moral code. But the root of God's moral code for us is love. How all those rules relate to God loving us is what I can't figure out.But instead of trying to prove that those rules don't add up to love, I would rather spend my efforts on figuring out how they would add up to love, because if God exists, then he loves us.Maybe those rules will never make sense to us, because we just aren't there. We are however here, and the main rules that Jesus laid down still work in todays society, and the spirit is still with us.

As far as the wars in the bible directly, maybe the people they were fighting were a lot worse than them, and needed to be straightened out.
I don't know, or pretend to know. When it's not against a persons will, otherwise I do not understand why. You really haven't been reading what I am saying, and you are trying to make me out to be a monster. Of course not today. Who was it that was going to kill his son because God told him too, but at the last second an angel appeared and made him stop.My faith isn't that deep, I wouldn't pass that test. Does that mean there is no God now? You cannot accept Jesus into your heart, unless you really mean it. You can say what you want on the outside. Yep.
It just happened last week. My church went to MExico, to help build part of a house for some people. When they got there, some other local workers were hired to help, and the workers did not like us at first. When we showed them love, in 3 days, 6 workers gave themselves to the Lord. We were not giving those workers anything, they were not depended on us, we were just working alongside them.That's the power of love, and God. Although I have expressed the point I was trying to make several times to you, you still are hung up on the definition of slavery, why is that?Your so determined to go against what I say?Please explain in your own words what the point I was trying to make is, by bringing up the story of my worker and the airline, and lets see how your reading comprehension is.

The moral absolute is love.
Its definment is relative to our times.

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either slavery is ok or it is not ok. it cannot be ok sometimes and not others

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If a person gives himself to you as a slave, is ok then?

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you took this out of context. i was refering to your statement that it is ok to take dumb slaves but not intelligent ones.

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Brutal, just brutal, by todays standards. But reverse back 4000 years, monkeys fighting owns a few of his own monkeys, it's the only way he can survive having enough physical labor to raise his crops. He has raised just enough food for his family and his tithe to God. His slave steals his food, and gives it to the slave girl next door. Now his kids will go hungry. There is no police to call, no government to call, no 7-11 to go buy more food, hell his cell phone doesn't even get reception, it would seem that the local preist is handling all that, it is a self policing society, and the way they dealt with it, is to leave it up to the slave owner himself.

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'steals' food that he has worked long and hard for and has only gotten the most basic rewards - a little bit of food to eat himself.

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What does he do?,,,what does he do....?

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Maybe he could not give his tithe to god. It seems here that if he didnt have to give his tithe to god he might even be able to let his slaves go. On a side note lets think... would most slave owners really have been all that hard off??? I think they would have been the wealthier people, the ones that could afford slaves.

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If a dog bit your kids hand off, would you sit by and watch?
Would you put that dog to sleep?

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where did it bite my kid? had he broke onto someones property and a gaurd dog bit his hand off. The dog was just doing its job. Thats like beating a slave for working hard.
Had the dog bit my kid on the street? The dog would get put down but remember that the owner of the dog would also be heavily fined (and possibly jail, at least by my countries law). So the slave owner has let his violent slave loose around kids. I dont think its only going to be the slave recieving a beating today.

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But the root of God's moral code for us is love.

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You can stop right there.

Really?I thought animals killed eachother to survive?I thought God taught us how to live.I would rather die than harm another human being.

Hey Chris! So where is the world heading now? Slavery was thought to be ancient history, yet garment workers still work in sweatshop-s in California for fifteen years and still barely receive minimum wage...I wonder if humanity will ever collectively "get it"... The spirit may be with us, yet few allow the Spirit to be "in" them. Nobody wants to really lay down their life now...do they, Rat?This message has been edited by Phatboy, 08-15-2005 11:27 PM

Good points,Society is corrupt.The revolution is coming though.

I didn't say it was ok, I said that maybe they thought it was ok. They didn't understand, or believe in equal rights. It was only speculation, not a justification. I find it quite amazing that, that is what you came up with out of that story. The slaves were taken care of, there was no need to steal food for himself or others. It's not the point of the food anyway, it's a point of survival.So I guess you are saying that you would forgive the slave and then starve to death? Remember this is the OT. This statement of your indicates to me that you have no clue what it would be like to live in time as the OT.I suppose he could have just got a job on wall st. to off set the money he loses when the crops don't yield anything.How did wealthy people become wealthy? Well now your taking things out of context. I am not taking about unjustified punishment, but somehow our narrow-minded view of slavery (also our justifiably horrible view of new world slavery), let's you think that all punishments would be unjustified, and cruel. Of course that is wrong, but the bible doesn't talk about unrighteousness, or does it preach that message anywhere. So your basic human nature would lead to someone receiving a beating? How barbaric of you.

You agree?

There are many mayrtrs in the world who do just that. In fact in the 20th century alone millions have laid down their lives for Christianity.I too will be putting myself in harms way once I start traveling to other countries with my charity org.*edit*
Chris mentions that he would rather die than harm another human being. Well I have 5 kids, I don't think they would like it too much if I died. I am setting my life up so they would be taken care of in the event that something happens to me. However, I do not particulary want to die just yet, in leiu of harming another human. Maybe I am wrong, maybe not.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 08-16-2005 06:26 AM

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Slavery was thought to be ancient history

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By whom?