homosexuality and the Bible

A Christian, God shouldn't have created a universe where such deviation can take place then, should he?Mark

Mr Jack, Identical twins who are separated at birth, where one is gay, the other displays a higher than average chance of being gay, too, indicating a genetic component.Mark------------------
"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."[This message has been edited by mark24, 08-19-2003]

messenjaH,There is a PROVEN genetic link to homosexuality. It is not up for discussion. Separated identical twins that have one individual homosexual, have a higher than average chance of them both being homosexual than would be expected by chance. The question is; why aren't they always both homosexual? The answer is that something in the environment triggers homosexuality, but it is much more likely to do it in genetically predisposed individuals.Mark------------------
"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

messenjah,What is so hard to understand? Identical twins are GENETICALLY IDENTICAL. Identical twins that are separated at birth are more likely to both be gay than if they weren't identical. There is a clear & unequivocal link between their genetic identicality & homosexuality. Therefore there is a genetic link to homosexuality.Their friends, guardians, experiences, even countries are different, ie. their environments are different, therefore there is more than their environment that is making them gay. That's the genetic identicality bit, right?Mark------------------
"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

messenjah, Yes it does. The null hypothesis should show no higher a chance of the second twin being gay. There is, therefore the null-hypothesis is falsified. In simple terms, the only factor we have left to blame is a genetic link. The statistical tests show that chance, or coincidence can be reasonably eliminated as a factor, OK? That's the whole point! It was a study of many such twins, not one, & their environments were all different.It's like having one hundred people saying the car that just passed was green, one say it was red, & you, who never saw the thing at all, side with the guy that said green!Mark------------------
"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

So why did he create a gay gene?Mark

A Christian, Good grief. Where to begin?IT IS THE WORLD THAT GOD CREATED, ACCORDING TO YOU. If gays are such an abomination to him he should have created a world where it couldn't happen, he's supposed to be omnipotent, isn't he? You can't have it both ways.There exists a heritable trait, or suite of heritable traits, that predisposes people to homosexuality. The statistical link established from the identical twins studies shows this. The only thing these individuals share is their DNA, & they have a higher than average chance of both of them being gay when one is gay. Do you understand? It is a study that has carefully chosen it's subjects to see if the only identical thing that these people share predisposes them to homosexuality. It does.This is a carefully crafted experiment that leaves the individuals with only one thing in common, so that any positive results can only be attributed to that alone. Get it? Do you now understand why identical twins that were separated were used?It does not therefore follow that "mans deviant lust" is responsible. It follows that mans DNA is responsible. Any assertions beyond that are evidenceless, unsupported nonsense.Mark------------------
"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."