homosexuality and the Bible

She is a lesbian because she chooses to have sex with other
girls. Why her parents beat her for playing dress-up with friends
sounds like an urban legend to me... Hey, but who am I---just a
Christian----I don't know anything and I'm illogical.

Why would she do that, though, unless she was sexually attracted to women?Yes, the homosexual behavior is a personal choice. But the preference for the behavior - the sexual preference - is not. It's biology.Why would God make people for whom the idea of having sex with members of the opposite gender is as repellant as homosexual sex must be for you?

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She is a lesbian because she chooses to have sex with other
girls.

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And horrific beatings throughout her childhood did nothing to change that. Does that not tip you off to anything?

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Why her parents beat her for playing dress-up with friends
sounds like an urban legend to me...

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Just so we can be clear then, you're calling me a liar.

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I don't know anything and I'm illogical.

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Glad we got that settled.[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-25-2003]

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All the boys think she's a spy

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Not silly, if one reads the Bible and believes it to be the inspired
written word of GOD.

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But pretty silly if one reads the bible thinks it is a nice myth (though pretty boring compared to some others) and does not believe in god(s).

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It would be silly if you suggested that
atheists and agnostics count only if they never attend church.

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I don't think I suggested this was a requirement of atheists and agnostics..if I did, it was a goof.

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I am glad you and your wife are presently happy

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Thanks

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it will be of small counsolation when bad times come (and they always do) and
the end draws near (and it will).

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Why small consolation? We have been through bad times and it makes it much easier to get through together than alone...and in the end, even if it were today, I could look back on having had a great time with a woman I care for more than anyone and respect...don't see the problem with that....I am not so weak that I can only get through the day making some mythical being more important than the people around me in my life or by saying this world sucks..can't wait for the afterlife...that to me is a waste of time.

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I'll still have joy because I have hope, I have something to
look forward to----even at deaths door...

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Hmmm strange..I have joy and hope but I am an atheist and I have a lot I am looking forward to...even death is not particularly scary...I will just get recycled into the earth..so I will be hanging around one way or another Your life must really suck if you spend so much time dreaming about the afterlife...[This message has been edited by Mammuthus, 08-26-2003]

man just pretend I am not here. oh thats Right! you have been

For this and other violations of the forum rules A_Christian is having a break from posting.Whether he returns depends on his agreeing to abide by the rules.AdminBrian

The reason for cutting out the rest of the Christians is because A_Christian is an evangelical, and he wants to compare his brand of Christian with the atheists and agnostics. That seems fair to me. Why would he want to compare numbers if he has to include people he disagrees with on his side?However, if memory serves, a trip to Barna Group - Knowledge to navigate a changing world will establish that his suggestion actually skews the statistics against him, not for him.

Yepper.Here Barna says, "Born again adults are more likely to experience a divorce than are non-born again adults (27% vs. 24%)." It was #1 of his 7 most discouraging results listed on Dec. 12, 2000.Here the title is "Born Again Adults Less Likely to Co-habit, Just as Likely to Divorce."Barna has some pretty stringent requirements to be considered born again. On that second page he gives the requirement: "'Born again Christians' were defined in these surveys as people who said they have made a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is still important in their life today and who also indicated they believe that when they die they will go to Heaven because they had confessed their sins and had accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. Respondents were not asked to describe themselves as 'born again' or if they considered themselves to be 'born again.'"

Hi truthlover,
I was sort of baiting him as I know why he wants to cut out other Christians from his definition. Over the last year I have run into a number of people like AC who claim they are true Christians and all others are not. The usual justification for this beleif is they know they are right...I get the impression if these sects were the only people left in the world they would still end up in an earth threatening conflict because they just don't seem to be capable of getting along peacefully with anyone else.Thanks for the link...it seems that fundamentalism is not a sure way of producing long lasting marriage cheers,
M

I apologize if this post will sound too off-topic...But it intrigues me for some time. I also think there is something like gene for homosexuality or something like that. In any case, people are born as homo- or heterosexuals. This fact was, according to my opinion, well proven already. But what about transexuals? How can anybody be born thinking he is female in male body or vice versa? Is it possible that when somebody realizes that he/she is attracted to the same sex too soon, before he/she can fully grasp it, he/she subconsciously comes to conclusion that his/her sex is not what it seems. If this is the case, what is the ethics of all those operations? This is something I have absolutely no opinion so far (lack of information).------------------
Life has no meaning but itself.

Because gender isn't just plumbing. Your body has a gender, and your brain does, too. Generally they're both determined by the same factor in utero, as far as I understand. But they aren't always determined the same way. Ergo, one winds up with a female-structured brain in a male-structured body, or vice-versa. (Actual biologists can step in at any time, here. The same as any operation one might choose to undergo in order to bring one's body in line with one's expectations of their body. I.e. the same as having breast augmentation surgery, or a nose job.

Is it established fact? Some hints where can I learn more? Well, I do not think it is that simple. Quite often somebody requires operation which actually harms his/her body, because it is his/her mind which is not OK. Some of those monstrous breast operation are the best example of this. In my opinion they should be denied by physicians. But of course - operations of this kind are good business and sometimes it is much easier to make some "adjustment" to the body then cure the mind (or change the fashion!). So I think that every operation that harms body and brings nothing but illusion is highly unethical.
So if you are right and "brain has gender", than it is OK. If not, than no.P.S.: I know, of course, that man's brain works rather differently than woman's. But is it enough for anybody to think of himself of man or woman?
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I'll try and find some articles, later today. But the research seems to be pretty clear that there's non-trivial structural differences between the brains of men and women. Well, yes. It wasn't my intent to sweepingly condone breast augmentation (for instance) but rather to say that sex-reassignment surgery probably isn't any better or worse, morally. Needless surgery is best avoided, I think. On the other hand the patient themselves may very well have a need for the surgery, which they see as correcting something they were born with.

Hell, you were too quick! I've just edited my previous post. I know that, of course. But the question is whether those structural differences really define one's gender. It is definitely like blessing for many of them, but the source of many problems as well - dependence on artificial hormones and reintegration into society are just two of them. So I am just not sure whether surgery is the best possible solution.------------------
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