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Author Topic:   Existence of Demons (and Angels)
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Message 105 of 303 (199952)
04-17-2005 5:39 PM
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04-17-2005 5:16 PM


Re: Demon stories
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As for your experience - Maybe you are mentally ill?
Don't down someones openness to experience because you deny the experience.

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Message 173 of 303 (200254)
04-18-2005 11:01 PM
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04-18-2005 8:56 AM


Re: Demon stories
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Do you think that people who regularly see things that other people can't see and hear voices that other people can't hear are generally 100% sane?
I don't know if what you're missing is demons but you're missing the experience because this God is in everything. That is a tragedy. What makes your perception any more realer than his? Any "saner" than his?
At some point you may see that none of this matters, that your logic doesnt't matter, that our science doesn't matter.
God cannot be defined or described by his creations, he cerated us with limited mobility of the mind and it is frustrating. The only thing he let us "see" is that he exists. God doesn't see, God doesn't do, feel whatever. When they said YHWH they had the right idea because we can't know his name, he doesn't have a name.

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Message 187 of 303 (200444)
04-19-2005 4:31 PM
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04-19-2005 12:22 AM


Re: Demon stories
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The difference is I don't think my perceptions superior to the facts about reality that can be ascertained by scientific rationalism
God is much deeper than that.
quote:
but when a claim of fact is made
What fact? there are no facts. The difference is you think your beliefs are better than his. The reasoning you use to know this is irrevelant. But your reasoning is flawed. You're living life looking through a needle. You have been ignoring what is real. I describe it to you, I can't show you.
Don't pull me into a demon argument, I don't like when ppl get oppressed thats why I responded.
It's not faith. I'm on this plane of thought that you havent reached yet because you got distracted.
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Message 192 of 303 (200543)
04-19-2005 8:43 PM
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04-19-2005 5:50 PM


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"God exists" is a claim of fact. "I believe that God exists" is a different kind of claim. The first is not allowed to go unchallenged without evidence. The second is allowed to do so because no evidence for or aganst it could exist.
You have no idea what I was talking about.
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So deep, in fact, that he's beyond the access of the rational mind? Well, how convinient for you.
No, actually it's quite frustrating, I've only been learning to cope with this.

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Message 193 of 303 (200544)
04-19-2005 8:53 PM
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04-19-2005 6:00 PM


Re: Demon stories
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Why should I believe it?
I wouldn't be able to convince you. It is an experience, a metamorphosis, a coming of age thing, it is reaching the farthest depths of the human mind, its hard, you have to think and be blessed into a good position.
You didn't see what I see. If you were able to see an existence then not see an existence it is only a limited picture.
Tell me a flaw because I don't see one.
quote:
I go with fact, not opinion
Again, what fact. There are no facts.

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Message 195 of 303 (200553)
04-19-2005 9:57 PM
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04-19-2005 9:49 PM


hahaha

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Message 238 of 303 (201269)
04-22-2005 6:50 PM
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04-20-2005 6:58 AM


Re: Demon stories
might be the antibiotics talking

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Message 239 of 303 (201272)
04-22-2005 6:59 PM
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04-20-2005 12:36 PM


Re: Demon stories
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(not Faith's "witness evidence" either)
I don't see why this wouldn't count. We're all friends here right?
Evidence is human. You weigh evidence more than I do. We have different scales. I respect your point of you only because your tring to make the best out of our situation but I accept this situation.
Everything happens for a reason.
Okay here' evidence for u:
The simple fact of how things look the way they do, how humans look like humans and leaves look like leaves is evidence for intelligent design.
I admit I have been cranky I got sick bad and on on some antibiotics and cough medicine with codine in it.
quote:
For one, your idea that your subjective opinion is of any value
Every subjective opinion is worth value on the matters of God, you can't believe that because you can't look with out some evidence.
In closing:
Logic has no place in the discussion of God

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Message 240 of 303 (201273)
04-22-2005 7:04 PM
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You don't get it :/

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Message 259 of 303 (201734)
04-24-2005 1:09 PM
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04-24-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Demon stories
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These are just as easily examples of the evolutionary process as they are for your point.
I understand that. I don't understand that something can have an inherent form and not have been made or designed. The human in me begs to ask why things have definite forms if there is no creator. It's illogical.
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There is a lot wrong with us.
The fact that we're imperfect isn't really good evidenceagainst a design you know?
I know this really doesn't matter but I'm curious as to what philosophy you hold true.

everything happens for a reason

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Message 261 of 303 (201744)
04-24-2005 1:25 PM
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04-24-2005 1:12 PM


Re: Demon stories
Really? So molecular bonds just form that way. It's like a mere coincidence. I choose to look deeper.

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Message 263 of 303 (201749)
04-24-2005 1:30 PM
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04-24-2005 1:29 PM


Re: Demon stories
I'm not a chemist. I choose to loook deeper

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Message 265 of 303 (201759)
04-24-2005 1:40 PM
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Re: Demon stories
Ok on jars wishing i will entertain troy's trivial questions. ice is less dense than water becaue the electrons are moving very slow in the ice right and they're compact right?

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Message 267 of 303 (201765)
04-24-2005 1:58 PM
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04-24-2005 1:41 PM


Re: Demon stories
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Perhaps, but what does such a statement reflect on the designer?
I don't think we could ever make that judgement because our ability to percieve God is limited.
quote:
How about yourself?
I am a theist born into a christian culture (as in America not my family), so that i am christian, I'm with the fundamentalists, I don't look to the East that much, as much as some say i should. I enjoy prayer more than meditation. I don't meditate it doesnt work for me. I have aspects of a romantic in me. More importantly Im an existentialist but most importantly I'm a truth seeker as all of us here are undoubtedly.

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Message 269 of 303 (201769)
04-24-2005 2:06 PM
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Re: Demon stories
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Sure, why does it have to be anything else?
If I throw a deck of cards in the air, is the pattern they form on the floor a "mere coincidence"?
I'd say it was.
I don't believe in coincidence.

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