Existence of Demons (and Angels)

Have you been tested for mental illness?Do you have a drug habit?*(let's eliminate the usual suspect before we explore more exotic options).* and before people get all shouty - those are only the questions the church would ask.

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IF,IF,THEN,possibilities,claims,assume,made up,elaborations, stories, assumption.

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there is some historical credence for consideration of these supernatural claims.

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Why? What is your evidence for this claim?This is thin stuff.As far as I can see being is the best defense against those "demons" is being an atheist, they just seem not to trouble us (yes I've left an opening for a hokey "but they are there, it's just you are godless" hokey bullshit defense).This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 03 March 2005 11:49 AM

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it's the spirit world there are NO guarantees of any kind of consistent content as we're dealing with intelligent beings who put all their considerable malevolent genius into creating illusions to deceive the human race

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And how do you make that leap? This is the problem many of us have - you have some unexplained which you are trying to bolt your christian framework onto.This message has been edited by General Krull, 17-Apr-2005 06:38 AM

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I can't show you something that is by its nature invisible, I can't make the invisible visible, therefore we must conclude that there are no invisible beings, right?

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No we conclude that there is no evidence for those invisible beings.As for your experience - Maybe you are mentally ill?This message has been edited by General Krull, 17-Apr-2005 04:17 PM

No I don't conclude there is no way of obtaining physical evidence - how can I without seeing the future?Maybe 100 years in the future it will turn out that they are odd EMC distortions or something like that, who know?

No it leaves it opens that SOMETHING may be occuring - the Spirit bit is you trying to place it within a christian framework, a step further than we need at the present.

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And maybe you'll encounter a spirit being in the future and need to rethink a few things, who knows?

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Ah...that old chestnut...

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Do you realize it is a actually harder to dent the power of Christ than to accept it?

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I know what you mean - when I was a christian I was faced with continuing with a nice,comforting fantasy or confronting a hard cold world.This message has been edited by General Krull, 19-Apr-2005 09:02 AM

If you have an S&M fetish that's your business.....Have you been to the UK? Christians suffer from a "total lack of interest in what you people are saying, please leave me alone. Look here is 50p, now I have to catch a bus" - so persecution is a bit difficult when no-one is interested in what you are saying.So clearly either Jesus was wrong or maybe he forgot a footnote about the UK.This message has been edited by General Krull, 19-Apr-2005 09:11 AM

Removed by author.This message has been edited by General Krull, 19-Apr-2005 03:57 PM

I'm going to be blunt - your current posts make you come off as an arrogant prick (with a fortune cookie stuck up your ass).