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Demosthenes Fan
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Message 7 of 303 (165490)
12-05-2004 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Xenocrates
11-27-2004 2:50 PM


The personal testimony of Shaman, who often use entheogens such as DMT or Salvia plants in order to see and communicate with spirits is not in any way, in my opinion, to be considered as empirical evidence. People that use these mind altering dugs often report the seeing of aliens, monkey-people, and yes, even demons, immediately after taking such a psychoactive. I have to agree with Lam, there’s not much to run with here.

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Message 44 of 303 (167260)
12-11-2004 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Phat
12-09-2004 4:37 AM


Phatboy, Xenocrates referenced a book called Spirit of the Rainforest where he stated that the book details the shamans’ interactions with demons in graphic detail. I simply proposed that shaman use entheogens*, which often causes people to have hallucinations of alien like characters. I stated that given that fact, that book and the shaman that are quoted in it, are not really what one should call empirical evidence, but more anecdotal.
Coragyps — Thanks for the warm greeting!!!
*Erowid DMT Vault : Apparent Communication with Discarnate Entities, by Peter Meyer

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