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wj
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Message 3 of 230 (118154)
06-24-2004 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by simple
06-24-2004 2:36 AM


Onus of proof
Arky, as you are making the assertion, the onus is on you to provide a good reason why anyone should consider this fantastic scenario. Perhaps you could start by providing evidence for the existence of a spiritual universe.

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wj
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Message 6 of 230 (118159)
06-24-2004 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by simple
06-24-2004 3:36 AM


Re: Onus of proof
eer, Arky, repetition does not make an assertion any more valid.
Perhaps, based on your logic, I can simply rebut your assertion about spiritual universes and changing speed of light by simply asserting that I don't believe in such things.

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wj
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Message 51 of 230 (118531)
06-25-2004 1:07 AM


Just plain silly
I think this has turned into the silliest thread I have ever seen on this board, even sillier than some of the intended humourous threads. The opening premise was absurd and it has gone downhill from there. Maybe creationists are such a rarity that we have to pamper them by letting them sprout any sort of made-up nonsense so that they don't spit the dummy and leave?
I suggest the thread be killed off before it becomes even more embarrassing.

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wj
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Message 104 of 230 (119205)
06-27-2004 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by simple
06-27-2004 2:22 AM


Re: post 88
Well Arky, time to put some meat on the bones of your fantasy. When did the physical world and the "spirit world" split? When did the spiritual light suddenly turn into physical light?

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wj
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Message 108 of 230 (119349)
06-27-2004 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by simple
06-27-2004 11:54 PM


Re: post 88
How about a bit more precision? 6,000 years ago? 10,000 years ago? 2,000 years ago?

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wj
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Message 110 of 230 (119353)
06-28-2004 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by simple
06-27-2004 11:52 PM


Re: Calculations
So "physical" light was riding on the coattails of "spiritual" light? So "physical" light was travelling faster than 300,000 km/s at that time? How fast roughly?
So, did the separation of "physical" and "spiritual" light occur instantaneously and simultaneously throughout the universe? Can we say that some thousands of years ago one photon was emitted by a star and it travelled to the earth many times faster than c and the next photon from the same star an instant later, after the separation, started on its journey to earth at the current rate of c?
Did all the P light travelling on the coattails of S light suddenly slow down to c when the separation occurred?

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wj
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Message 113 of 230 (119359)
06-28-2004 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by pink sasquatch
06-28-2004 12:37 AM


Off topic
Perhaps that is material for a new thread. Let's have arky concentrate on answering questions directly related to his spiritual light fantasy.

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wj
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Message 117 of 230 (119377)
06-28-2004 2:18 AM


Arky, any answers to my questions in message #110?

  
wj
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Message 119 of 230 (119389)
06-28-2004 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by simple
06-28-2004 2:49 AM


Re: do tell
Arky, spell crank.
It appears that you have no idea what you are talking about and you are just making it up as you go along. Pity you are so insecure that you have to rely on such fantasies so that you can put inordinate faith in the literal interpretation of a religious text.

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wj
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Message 130 of 230 (120259)
06-30-2004 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by simple
06-30-2004 2:38 AM


Re: alas
Arky, you appear to be too silly or too ignorant to realise that jar has already identified the hole in your scenario in message #123. If you can't understand then I suppose we can continue to lead you towards the outcome step by step.
Try answering my question from message #110. Your supposed answers in message #118 did not address the issues.
quote:
So "physical" light was travelling faster than 300,000 km/s at that time? How fast roughly?
So, did the separation of "physical" and "spiritual" light occur instantaneously and simultaneously throughout the universe? Can we say that some thousands of years ago one photon was emitted by a star and it travelled to the earth many times faster than c and the next photon from the same star an instant later, after the separation, started on its journey to earth at the current rate of c?
Did all the P light travelling on the coattails of S light suddenly slow down to c when the separation occurred?

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wj
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Message 132 of 230 (120279)
06-30-2004 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by simple
06-30-2004 3:47 AM


Re: dote on a photon
So Arky, with all of this professed ignorance of the properties of "spiritual" light and "merged" light and ignorance of the effect of their supposed separation, how do you know that "merged" light and/or "spiritual" light travels faster than c? If so, how fast?

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wj
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Message 135 of 230 (120321)
06-30-2004 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by johnfolton
06-30-2004 8:36 AM


Re: 2 Peter 3:8 ?
whatever, we're working on arky's fantasy at this time, not your own. Perhaps you could work on the implications of yor "model" so that it can be tested against reality.

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wj
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Message 145 of 230 (120583)
07-01-2004 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by simple
07-01-2004 2:54 AM


Re: dote on a photon
Again Arky, how fast does/did this imaginary spiritual/merged light travel?

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wj
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Message 205 of 230 (123450)
07-09-2004 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Melchior
07-09-2004 4:44 PM


Re: repeat beat bit
Arky's imaginary scenario is that the combined S and P light were travelling at near infinite speed. The implication is that, at the moment of spliting, those physical photons in transit in transit from a distant star to our earth must have been very spread out along the path as. Therefore, from an earthly viewer's perspective, instantly after the split occurred, all the stars dimmed and remained extremely dim until the first post-split photons arrive at which time the star suddenly appeared to become much brighter.
Strane that no such pattern has been observed or recorded in the past few thousand years. Cold it be that arky's wild imaginings have no basis in observable reality?
Is it through ignorance or intellectual dishonesty that arky refuses to address the issue of the first photon after the imaginary split?

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