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Author Topic:   Does the Christian God Play with Free Will?
Philip
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Message 19 of 83 (41903)
06-01-2003 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by NosyNed
05-31-2003 9:16 PM


Re: Spookiness of Free Will
Please forgive the brief interlude:
As a podiatrist in nursing homes I've seen a lot of really spooky toenails (about a half-million) and some really spooky persons attached to them.
Armed with a nail-nipper and a Dremel for toenail grinding, I enter a cheerful Alzheimer's unit in a VA hospital to do what I do.
"Mr. Smith, SIR! ... Would you like your nails trimmed SIR?" Mr. Smith is becoming aggitated (as it were) and shreaks out: "Damn you, I just trimmed them last night". He takes charge and commands with the utmost power of his FREE WILL: "Go to H?#!ll"
I manage to get a shoe off while distracting him about the weather or something. His rage boils up into violence; I request 2 nurses to sit on the patient if I am to continue. I somehow get the other shoe off that is soaked in urine.
I'm staring in horror at the toenails from hell; thick bird-clawing ram-horned fungal infected toenails that haven't been cut for years ... and filthy toe-jam that would make horse-piss palatable. Mr. Smith begins rather coyly to giggle (like Jim Carey) as he subtly transforms into the HULK. I request 2 nurses to help.
Suddenly the aged hulk thrashes and shreaks in uncanny power as I peacefully sit on the floor before him, attempting to debride, shatter, chip, break-off, or peradventure put a dent in his right great toenail that is harder than rock.
It becomes clear now that I must take the foot by force while 2 nurses ride the bull and fungal toenail shrapnel fires everywhere by my nail-clipping hand. I opt for my Dremel grinder at some point and the hulk renews his great powers. He desperately kicks, bites, spits, etc. in a noble expression of FREE-WILL?!
Funny thing, I can't help but love the wretch and bless him after the battle. I become ENABLED to think pure and lovely thoughts as do the nurses. I conclude that: God seems to have played with our free will(s) in a benevolent manner.
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Our Mosaic-like laws punish with presumption of "Free-Will" and various degrees of deliberation therein.
Even the stubborn agnostic (AKA, atheist in 'Free-Will' denial) approves punishment for a man's sins.
There are now more lawyers to indulgently judge us filthy-scum sinners than ever before. My malpractice insurance has skyrocketed, thus. Now they strain the knat and swallow the camel via new privacy legislation, etc. Otherwise, our free-will might capitalize against an unsuspecting public.
As Romans (KJV ch 7) states: For in my (that is in my flesh) their dwelleth no good thing, for to will is in me, but how to perform that which is good I know not.
I dogmatically speculate/conclude that:
1) Every man's free-will is completely demented damned cursed and tormented, as per the Jim Carey flick, as per the book of Romans in the Bible, as our legal system judges, etc.
2) Albeit, the hypocrite/actor, Jim Carey, a frolic-driven divorced-remarried want-to-be per se, does seem to pull off a great measure of Sunday school forthrightness: e.g., DETERMINISTIC GRACE by God favoring many persons, especially those who stagger deeply in prayer toward a Redeeming God.
3) God-Almighty is behind it all, despite a devil who would prompt men to FREELY destroy themselves.
4) When God hardened Pharoah, God did it in a permissive fashion. In other words God allowed Pharoah's free will to run its demonic course.
5) God's Redemptive events restrain many persons Free Will from finishing their course toward hell. Biblically, these Redemptive events are incarnated in man via "the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" ...making men FREE [from cursed FREE WILL under the Law of Moses]. (Romans 8...)
6) There are numerous types of principles which may be construed as "Free Will" depending upon the interpreter.
7) Perhaps, the ideal FREE-WILL that I could think of is God's incarnated suffering forgiveness for filthy hell-bent, hell-deserving, jesting liars and whoremongers like you and I. A redeeming incarnating forgiveness resurrects the free-will into the pure and melodious bowels of compassion and thankful love to God.
Blessings and Peace to all,
Philip

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