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Author Topic:   Who can be saved? A Christian perspective
Terry48420
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Message 236 of 460 (182887)
02-03-2005 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
09-11-2004 11:22 AM


IMHO, as a Christian, anyone can be saved whether or not they acknowledge or profess a belief in Jesus or even GOD. In fact, even if they deny the existence of GOD they can and will likely be saved.

How can you ignore passages like Mark 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned

This passage clearly states that nonbelievers are damned.


Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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Terry48420
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Message 238 of 460 (182910)
02-03-2005 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by jar
02-03-2005 1:52 PM


Reply to jar
Basically, throughout the Bible Jesus explains time after time that it is not your professions that determine belief but what you do.

This is true...Faith without works is dead according to James. However, you are still overlooking key verses in the Bible.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph 2:8-10

We are to do good works because of our faith in God and because we are saved, not to be saved.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Heb 11:6

Clearly we can not please God without faith.


Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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Terry48420
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Message 241 of 460 (182930)
02-03-2005 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by jar
02-03-2005 4:29 PM


Re: Reply to jar
It is not a broad proclamation or gospel

You can not deny Jesus' own words in John 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Faith in Jesus is required to be saved. This is not a works based religion my friend.


Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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Terry48420
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Message 243 of 460 (183045)
02-04-2005 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by jar
02-03-2005 6:21 PM


Re: Reply to jar
John 3:21: But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

He that doeth truth cometh to the light...the light of the world is Jesus. You have to come to Jesus. Our works are like filthy rags until we are in Christ because there is sin in our life.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God;

John 3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

II Thessalonians 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengaence on them that know not God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everalting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

Clearly you must know God and obey the gospel to be saved. An atheist can not be saved because he claims there is no God. How can he know him or obey the gospel.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Clearly faith and repentance are required.


Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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Terry48420
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Message 245 of 460 (183083)
02-04-2005 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by jar
02-04-2005 8:55 AM


Re: Reply to jar
Why would GOD care if you believed in him?

I'm not really qualified to speak for God, but faith and belief are found hundreds of times in the Bible. Therefore it must be important.


Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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