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Message 337 of 460 (641163)
11-17-2011 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by jar
11-17-2011 10:11 AM


Re: Jesus was a Jew
Hi jar,

jar writes:

Where in that passage does he address Jews differently than Gentiles?

Better yet where does the text you quoted address individual Jews or individual Gentiles?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 341 of 460 (641176)
11-17-2011 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by jar
11-17-2011 10:48 AM


Re: Jesus was a Jew
Hi jar,

jar writes:

It addresses "all the world"

The text does not say everybody of the world will stand before Him.

The text does not say all the world will stand before Him.

The text says all nations will stand before HIm.

Therefore the nations will be divided by Him.

The sheep nations on His right and the goat nations on His left.

The goat nations will be banished to the lake of fire.

The sheep nations will be invited into the earthly kingdom of Jesus that is going to last for 1000 years.

So no there are no judgment of individuals here only the judgments of the nations.

jar writes:

And from the text, it seems pretty clear that the Goats are all followers of Jesus,

Jesus's physical body was of the linage of David.

So when He says, "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." He was talking about His physical Jewish brethren known as Israel.

That would mean those nations who have helped Israel will be allowed to go into the 1000 year reign of Jesus in His kingdom here on Earth.

But then you don't believe the Bible so this will make no difference to you.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 343 of 460 (641178)
11-17-2011 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by jar
11-17-2011 2:54 PM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
Hi jar,

jar writes:

"When did we ever not do for you?"

Who are you quoting?

The text does not say what you quote.

jar writes:

I imagine that all of the Goats will be Christians.

All of the goat nations will be the nations who have tried to destroy Israel.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 364 of 460 (641207)
11-17-2011 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by jar
11-17-2011 5:14 PM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
jar writes:

Your post is just more Goat bleeting.

Ops you are the one bleeting.

But as usual if you can't refute what is said just cast a sarcasm and move on, walking around in your blind stupor.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 392 of 460 (641483)
11-19-2011 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by jar
11-18-2011 11:09 AM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
Hi jar,

jar writes:

The point is that all mankind is charged to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, comfort the sorrowful, clothe the naked, teach the children, heal the sick, protect the helpless.

Could you give me the text that supports that assertion?

And while you are at it explain what Paul meant when he said:

quote:
2 Thessaloians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.


God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 394 of 460 (641491)
11-19-2011 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by New Cat's Eye
11-19-2011 2:28 PM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
Hi CS,

Catholic Scientist writes:

Yes, but then they're seperated.

Yes the nations are separated by nations not the people separated.

Catholic Scientist writes:

Are you taking that to mean that the nations were seperated from other nations, but the nations as a whole were kept together? And that's why you can't split up the group of christians into some being sheep and some being goats?

Yes the text says the nations are separated.

The people of the sheep nations are the only people that will be afforded a second chance.

They will be afforded that second chance because they happened to live in a country that has helped the descendants of Isaac due to the promise God made to Abraham.

The judgment of the nations will take place when Jesus comes riding on a white horse at the end of the reign of the anti-christ just prior to Jesus setting up His earthly kingdom. The sheep nations will be allowed to go into the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The problem enters with the word righteous, as it is assumed that is talking about people who have been born again.

At the judgment of the nations there will not be 1 person who has been born again. Those will all be gone prior to battle in which the anti-christ is overcome and cast into the lake of fire.

So the judgment of the nations is just that, a judgment of nations.

The nations who have helped the descendants of Isaac will be the sheep nations and those who have tried to destroy the descendants of Isaac will be the goat nations.

But everyone is allowed to believe anything they desire to believe.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 396 of 460 (641502)
11-19-2011 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by jar
11-19-2011 5:37 PM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
Hi jar,

jar writes:

I have provided them, sorry if you missed them.

That is very funny.

The phrase 'feed the hungry' does not exist in the Bible.
The phrase 'shelter the homeless' does not exist in the Bible.
The phrase 'comfort the sorrowful' does not exist in the Bible.
The phrase 'clothe the naked' does not exist in the Bible.
The phrase 'teach the children' appears 2 time in the Bible.

quote:
Leviticus 10:11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.
2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

Both are charges to Israel.

The phrase 'heal the sick' this phrase is in the Bible 3 times.

quote:
Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Luke 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
Command to the Apostles.

quote:
Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Command to the seventy sent out.

The phrase 'protect the helpless' does not appear in the Bible.

Now if your search engine is better than mine would you please present the scripture texts that support your assertion, as the ones I find does not support your assertion.

jar writes:

In fact YOU provided one in your quote from Thessalonians. We are commanded to work, to do works.

Well no that verse teaches that if a man don't work he don't eat.

No one is told to supply his needs in fact the non worker is told to go to work and eat his own bread that does not mean I am supposed to supply the bread and oven for him/her to cook it in.

Now don't get me wrong I believe we are supposed to take care of our own and we practice that in the church I pastor. Not one member goes lacking of anything they need.

If a person is hungry and I give him/her a mess of fish they have fish to eat one time. But if I teach him/her how to fish they can have fish many times.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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