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Author Topic:   Who can be saved? A Christian perspective
MrHambre
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Message 87 of 466 (148454)
10-08-2004 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by mike the wiz
10-08-2004 3:26 PM


Mike,
quote:
Because you see suffering - you assume God cannot exist - and/or has sat on his arse.
Please explain why this is any less valid than your "we exist, therefore God exists" construct. I think it's fair to say that if there is suffering on the Earth, then God either cannot or will not intervene to stop it.

regards,
Esteban Hambre


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MrHambre
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Posts: 1495
From: Framingham, MA, USA
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Message 89 of 466 (148481)
10-08-2004 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by mike the wiz
10-08-2004 4:44 PM


He Can, And He Does...Sometimes
Mike,
quote:
What about all the times God has intervened to stop things - with you being ignorant of it?
What about it? If you bothered to think it through, Mike, you'd realize how little this actually benefits your argument. At least I'm being consistent by saying that if God doesn't exist, some people suffer and some people prosper. There's no cosmic reason for the disparity.

However, by believing that not only does God exist but that He can intervene to prevent suffering, you're caught in a paradox that you can only (and obviously do) rationalize your way out of to no one else's satisfaction. If God can intervene, then evidently in the visible examples of suffering we see, He chooses not to. Is God too busy to intervene all the time? Is He sacrificing some innocents to the ravages of the cruel world so that people will understand suffering and fear it? Is He making sure people realize His power to punish and reward?

No matter what way you explain it, Mike, you still end up with a less-than-flattering picture of God. That you still believe it's a realistic portrayal of a God worth worshipping says volumes about you.

regards,
Esteban Hambre

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