Who can be saved? A Christian perspective

Oh come on Ned, that's a blanket isn't it?Many will follow Christ's teachings as best they can - but some things are blatantly contradictive - like murder etc.I mean, if Christ says love your enemy???But yet your side says it's a joke that I call myself christian etc - and other people have been judged here at this forum aswell - but they call Hitler a christian nevertheless. Why is that?Is your side saying that based on writings at a forum - they can now say that Hitler was christian, yet we aren't because of our Theology?Is my talk worse than a nazi murderer's actions?Wow. I mean - if people go this far - then they really must have something against our faith.

I'm going to make one big post to everyone. Not if this is their continuing pursuit. - When I sin - I fear that I am now not saved anymore!Christ taught to not commit adultery - but can he forgive? That's not what I am dealing with --> I will leave judgement for him - but rather - I am saying what a christian is, not isn't- and I know you are clever enough to see that some things blatantly contradict christian - by those other things you mentioned in your post.Okay - I admitt a few discernments can be difficuilt - I will concede that Ned. Life isn't black and white - I will also concede that.So - in certain instances it can be hard to fathom - but, remember I am defining what a christian is rather than what one isn't. Surely the endeavour should certainly be the outstanding choice, and observed tenacity. Oh come on Shraff - "rhetoric tongues"? --> I was just arsing around. Listen - I think all good things are God's working - but I still cannot fathom how he can invisibly intervene etc.. --> ? -- Listen - I promise I'm objective! No Shraff - you are including special feelings - special feelings of rejection of God - which motivate you to argue with mike earnestly and rigorously - in an endeavour to refute all things concerning God.And so - these special feelings are your talk - not mine, as I have already said that science doesn't have a say on God. And so - if evidence does then everything evidences God - or nothing would exist.

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^{mike the wiz}-->Statistically - we don't exist, because chance wouldn't allow it.

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Shraff - do you actually consider that a refutation? The fact is that Math says that the probability of life coming about by chance is highly improbable - now, since you believe in abiogenesis and evolution - then according to math - we don't exist. So just like the strawman fallacy - you use math when it suits you.But nevertheless - it is a strawman of mike's position anyway - as I haven't said the universe is or isn't indifferent - I infact said " The universe might be made a certain way - by God. " -- And soSubstituting position A (God) - with B(universe) - and then proceeding in refuting B --> Won't refute A.God is not indifferent.Jesus Christ came and died for our sins. - And you conveniently ignored me when I mentioned the equality of God in the flesh.If your position is that we are equal with God - then let's take that further - for fairness. Let us now only look at God's example - in the flesh. Was he indifferent? You have asked this and I answered way back - wiz's wager - we don't judge God ad shopkeeper analogy.We know good and evil.

I think it's a well known math amongst evos.I think they invoke multiple universes to get rid of it - Dawkinisms you see - like with "indifference"..

It's basically a big big number, - since there was no pre-biotic evidence or pre-biotic conditions anyway - abiogenesis is now a no-go, they try and look to Mars - but that's unlikely even with science, because the atmosphere was too dry - no water could exist long enough - so now they look to Europa, and invoke multiple-universe theories.

.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 10-18-2004 01:16 PM

Ned - I'd love to open a new topic and do that, but I don't like making topics, and feel that if Shraff doesn't have to provide back up for her statistics - neither should I. I hope to get back to the theology - on topic posts.

I will provide a post to Ned's topic if it gets put through.Even though - Shraff and Amhodli were not chased concerning their statistical banter. Which is in my view - highly unfair.

Message #172 " The point is that, statistically, it appears that we live in an indifferent universe. "This is what Amhodli said - then Shraff got on the train - I then provided my assertion.