Who can be saved? A Christian perspective

The topic is about salvation...not evolution. jar then offers support for Matthew 25 and his belief that salvation is based upon what we DO rather than WHO we believe in:

There are many other such passages, Luke 4 as an example: Which angered his listeners just as telling Christians today that they are not special or chosen over the Muslims and Atheists and Agnostics and Buddhists and Hindus and Satanists and animists angers the Christians.and Luke six: that repeats the admonition that it is behavior not belief that is of significance.Much that the stories claim Jesus said is not reflected in many Christian churches.

Nice point. I may have asked this question before, but how is it that you have only 96 posts? This one was a gem and I would like to see more.

I'm aware that since the timing in Old Earth theory is believed, that dating methods are actually used for such purposes. You at least give a reasonable justification for that, saying there is no other way to tell where the copper is located, but I'm afraid that doesn't do it for me. I don't know what sort of evidence might be mustered in this case, but your statement alone isn't enough.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well that's easy to answer - no scientific evidence will ever be enough for you Faith. Even when the evidence against your views becomes overwhelming your response is to say that you can't explain why but you know that it's wrong.But I'm not looking for any 'Eureka moment' from you, I just want you (and other creationists) to stop saying ridiculous things like: Seem fair?

Of course not. I asked you for evidence, where is it?

Would everyone please stop this off topic discussion?

I hope so.Perhaps I am wrong to expect it though.

Again Phat, it is almost like you did not read past that post. There is a whole bunch of discussion on that very topic in messages that followed.

I read the rest of this topic. We argued the same things back then as we do now. Some good conversations, though.

You say that nowhere is mentioned acknowledgment of Jesus or God, correct?

Who is the son of man?

who is the King?
If the sheep and goats judgment happened tomorrow, and one was to simply walk away from the assembly, what would happen to them?

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It appears to me that simply being gathered before the King implies a necessity of acknowledgment.

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Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

No Phat, that is not what I have said. There are numerous acknowledgements of both Jesus and God in the stories; often conflicting or mutually exclusive acknowledgements. We've been over this a brazillion times. The description of the God in Genesis 1 is entirely different than the God in Genesis 2&3. In the New Testament Jesus performs miracles but tries to keep it a secret that he did anything but in other stories the Jesus who performs miracles to show he is divine; two mutually exclusive descriptions.Yes, in the story all are brought before a judge. It does not say who the son of man is. It does not say who the King is beyond the fact that it is the person who will judge. In the story they are gathered, they have no option to simply walk away.Phat it says is what is actually written; only what is written. Anything else is just some modern human creation.

Well, my point in prodding your old quote with a stick was to make it clear that I disagree with your assessment that a person does not have to acknowledge God (or more specifically Jesus) in order to become saved. Granted, I have always referred to you as the Apostle To The Atheists and will admit that your arguments are sound. I was discussing some of what we have discussed with my young friend who is in training (by God, not by his own desire) to be a future Pastor. First, a word about him. He is nearly homeless and has been poor his whole life. He works (if you could call it work--they dont pay him) at an inner city ministry cooking at a soup kitchen for the homeless. (The Sloppy Agape Soup Kitchen). He thus does exactly what we always talk about what Jesus commands us to do. I have no doubt that if there is a Heavenly Reward for doing such things, he will receive it. This morning we studied the book of James over the phone.In James 2, we studied the idea of partiality. I am guilty of this, as I would tend to take the suave young teenage friend to church yet ignore the homeless guy who smelled bad. I've been working on this, but in my mind I need Gods help...its human nature to be more attracted to some causes and less attracted to others. You always claim that we should throw God away. And yet James says Now granted you could make an argument that the Spirit either dwells in us(all of us) or not and that this in and of itself shouldn't matter as far as what we are charged to do. But what do you think of the whole idea--"friendship with the world is enmity with God"?

Read James. Actually stop and read James.It is all about behavior, about fighting the good fight, about running the race. It's not about doing stuff to gain credit or honor or even acknowledgement but simply because they need to be done.The stuff about spirit is irrelevant. It is simply a distraction.Do what needs to be done simply because it needs to be done.We've been down this path a brazillion times before Phat. It's not the showy things, not the seen things, it's the little things like holding a door open, reaching for something on the high shelf for someone, taking the shopping carts back to their place, bringing in the neighbors trash cans; little things that no one even remembers you doing.It's not about rewards or praise or thanks or anything except doing what you can do because it needs doing.

But you didnt answer my question,

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James 4:4 and 5----?

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