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Author Topic:   Logically speaking: God is knowable
nator
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Message 100 of 187 (353575)
10-02-2006 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by iano
10-01-2006 2:36 PM


quote:
Of course I can share it. But not in an empirical sense. You could share the data with about what you had for breakfast this day a year ago (for some reason you noted it in your diary) but at the end of the day I would have to believe you on it. It warrants a thread "What its like to know God (by people who do".
But what if you told me that you had "Dorkamifluffink" for breakfast a year ago?
I asked you to make me some, or give me a list of ingredients to get a t the grocery store, or provide a recipe so I could have a taste, but of course you couldn't do that.
You told me that it's something that you and only you can make, alone, inside your own kitchen and you had no way of sharing it with anyone else. In fact, you say that "Dorkamifluffink" is actually invisible and can't actually be tasted, smelt, felt, heard, or seen.
You can only tell people how eating this undetectable stuff makes you feel about life, and at the end of the day, I would have to take your word for it that "Dorkamifluffink" actually exists, and that you had some for breakfast a year ago.
See the difference between "Dorkamifluffink" and, say, porridge in regards to it's believeability and plausibility?

"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 104 of 187 (353580)
10-02-2006 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by RickJB
10-01-2006 3:45 PM


I'm not insisting that I must know God. I am insisting that I do.
quote:
Ok, so describe God to me. What does he look like?
Give me some evidence so I can verify your claim.
Iano likes to play the game of "knowledge and belief are the same thing".
However, when asked if he thinks, say, medical scientists should be allowed to include their own personal beliefs and convicions about their research findings in place of the usual statistical analysis and empirical evidence, he becomes rather quiet.
Edited by schrafinator, : added the word "same" in my first sentence regarding knowledge and belief above.

"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

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nator
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Message 148 of 187 (353698)
10-02-2006 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by iano
10-02-2006 2:00 PM


quote:
You obviously haven't been paying attention at the back Brian. Knowing something does not mean that actually is the case. Not my knowing God exists, nor a Muslim knowing Allah exists, nor you knowing there is a computer screen on front of you.
Knowing is the best anyone can say regarding their own certainty. The highest court in anyones land. But that doesn't mean a thing if the objective reality one resides in is not in fact objective. Which of us is deluded, you, the muslim, me. There is no way to tell for any of us (unless of course God exists - then we are not reliant on our assumptions about reality. He can overcome them - being God)
So, do you suggest that "strong belief", rather than empirical evidence should be given the same weight in, say, medical science?

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