Logically speaking: God is knowable

Hello, Iano. So as a theist, what you are saying is that the spectrum presupposes two very real realities over and above itself:
God Exists.
or
God does not exist.It can be said that we as humans may never actually know either of these absolutes for certain,right?In rebuttal, it can be said that we can know God.We can know Him as well as we can know our Mothers.We can know Him as well as we can trust our instincts and reflexes when driving a car. Surely one could theorize that the road ahead is but an illusion of the senses, but as anyone who has ever experienced an acid trip knows, anyone in that state of mind simply pulls over and quits driving until they are certain enough of the perceptions within their mind so as to continue driving----right? Data in regards to supernatural experiences ranges from UFO survivor stories to Charismatic conversion experiences
from otherwise reasonably sane individuals.It is true that an encounter with an alien (or a Heavenly presence and angelic/demonic spirit) cannot be proven to the satisfaction of any instrument yet devised by humans. The only tool that we have is our own subjective conclusions---based on our professional and personal observations of an individual. 1. God exists, despite anyones data.
7. God does not exist, despite anyones belief.So you are saying that we humans are either strong 2's or strong 6's based on our sanity, experiences, intuitions, confirmations, and relationship with the reality that we perceive, right?erhaps Iano is asserting that 1 and 7 cannot both be true.A believer may feel so in communion with the Spirit that they are able to confidantly assert 1 as a reality. They do not have to be God to assert this...they merely have to be in communion with God.A strong atheist may feel so grounded in logic and in the fallicies thereof that they are able to confidantly assert 7 as a reality. They are strongly in communion with human wisdom.This goes well in line with a couple of Bible scriptures which I have interpreted to explain the difference between God and the Devil.To Wit: is=1. (for the purposes of our discussion) is not=7, (for the purpose of our discussion.)The point of my scriptural example, and my interpretation thereof, is to show that two spiritual realities cannot exist at the same time.Thus 1 and 7 cannot both be true. One is true and the other one is not true. So can we assert that Dualism is not a logical spiritual reality?We can agree that for the purposes of this discussion, the two positions cannot both be true. There is no gray area. God either exists or He doesnt. At least Iano and I agree on that premise. The two positions cannot coexist in absolute reality.

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“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis

Well put. At least I understand it quite perfectly!

Unless the ISS is the Holy Spirit. Also....I am not sure if we use the ISS so much as He uses us! I would be open minded, Rick....but I would even go a step farther and suggest that the Spirit has gotten your attention and that my adding anything to that would only muck up the magnetism!

Just out of curiousity...why does what I say annoy you? Is it because I am suggesting a different way to think? Is that not what we all do to each other? (By the way, I did not intend to offend you)

The awareness of God is one thing I have known that has not been empirically derived. My worldview is not that of an unthinking neocon, nor am I a strict Biblical Literalist. I have heard the scriptures that are used to defend faith: And to me this is quite logical. Is is illogical to assume that the universe needed no Creator. The idea of God has to have validity and meaning to an individual based on that persons own acceptance or rejection of God.When an individual accepts God, is that empirically derived?If Empiricism can be defined as a branch of philosophy which sees all knowledge as being based in experience (and observation) as distinct from theory or logic, you are correct in that there is no way to convince you that God logically exists.The fact that you never responded to my last post shows that you have a general disdain for the very idea.Or am I incorrect?Edited by Phat, : changes

I edited my post while you replied, Brian. Sorry... But to answer your question, perhaps my belief in God was empirically inspired. Its funny, really. I even see God in you sometimes!
Go figure, eh? Edited by Phat, : changed title to reflect edit...pertaining to Brians reply

I guess that I am crossing over into the idea of truth being an absolute rather than a relative state of mind.Another topic for another day!

That would be true were it proven that God and the notion thereof is merely and ONLY a human construct.We do not know, however.I believe that God exists. Strongly. Even if my notions of Him were incorrect, I do not see Him ceasing to exist since I did not create Him. He is not a construct of my imagination---although confirmation bias has my notions of God boxed into my logic (or illogic! )