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Legend

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Message 36 of 187 (353295)
09-30-2006 3:37 PM

Reply to: Message 34 by Straggler
09-30-2006 10:46 AM

absolute certainty = faith

Straggler writes:

The key difference is that those of faith are necessarily 1s whilst those that call themselves atheists would more likely describe themselves as 6.999999999Rs as they would generally accept that absolute certainty about anything requires the sort of faith that they oppose!!

I was just going to write something along those lines and then I saw your post.

I concur that no atheist can ever be a perfect 7, I think the phrase would be 'convinced beyond reasonable doubt' rather than 'know'.

anyway, well said!

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 42 of 187 (353404)
10-01-2006 7:26 AM

Reply to: Message 38 by ohnhai
09-30-2006 8:28 PM

inverted theism

ohnhai writes:

Sure it’s a inconsistency but that’s never stopped the 1s has it?

isn't that a good reason to differentiate yourself from the theists ? otherwise, your atheism is just as much a religious belief as their theism.

ohnhai writes:

I believe that nothing of the divine, or supernatural exists. This encompasses God, The Morning Star, Demons, Angels and all the things that people convince themselves go bump in the night. None of it exists.

Now, to me, belief in something without any basis is nothing but wishful thinking. The way I read that is that you wish that nothing supernatural exists.

ohnhai writes:

I believe this with all of my heart, I AM certain of it

now we're definitely getting into the realm of religion.

ohnhai writes:

...I do have to caveat my belief with “but I could be wrong”. I’m not though. It’s just intellectual honesty forces me to add that caveat. It doesn’t change the fact I am a solid 7.

see, the problem I have with that is that it's self-contradictory. How can you be absolutely be convinced that god doesn't exist, while at the same time admit to the fact that you could be wrong ?

I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the Christian God doesn't exist. At the same time, just like you, I admit that there is no absolute and conclusive evidence towards this conclusion and I just might be wrong. Hence, I class myself as a 6.999 on the aforementioned scale.

IMO, classing myself as a 7 would make me just an inverted theist instead of an atheist.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 131 of 187 (353641)
10-02-2006 2:05 PM

Reply to: Message 130 by iano
10-02-2006 2:00 PM

I've lost the plot!

so what is your point again ?

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 174 of 187 (353945)
10-03-2006 3:44 PM

Reply to: Message 168 by Brian
10-03-2006 8:57 AM

Brian writes:

...so now I am certain that Jesus was a gay con artist who lied to make an easy living

didn't you mean to write 'Paul' instead of 'Jesus'?

Edited by Legend, : spelling

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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