PROOF OF GOD

Please read Message 322. It would be appreciated if participants could view this discussion as a collaborative effort to establish the facts of the matter, and not as an adversarial melee with winners and losers.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Yes, that's what it means. You take the amount of land and compare this to the amount of water. At *at least* two point on earth, the land/water ratio would be basically identical.We do know that such points would be located north of the equator due to the spread of land on our planet, but you'd have to use a computer to find the exact points.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this (so I may be completely off-base), but I believe that two points exist in this way only if you divide the quadrants using lines perpendicular and parallel to the equator. If you diverge from the long/lat lines I think many more "center points" emerge - perhaps an infinite number.In either case, a single "center of land mass", with however many qualifications, does not seem to be correct - there should be at least two such centers.I saw one website that stated the second "center of land mass" was in Indiana, but I wouldn't take that too seriously... unless you can think of any suitable monuments...

Yes, of course. We are talking about meridians and parallels so no other arrangements are interesting to the discussion.There are two points. Even then if the pyramid was centered on one that would be at least very interesting.I think the other point is in the north pacific ocean. Perhaps south east of Japan.

I'm not arguing about the meridans and parallels as much as the idea that there is "a center of land mass" - if nothing else the terminology is incorrect, unless there are numerous qualifications place upon said center.Perhaps the North Pacific Ocean demarcates the site of Atlantis, since I have seen some websites that claim that the inhabits of Atlantis built the pyramid.If this discussion with WILLOWTREE has taught me anything, it is that there are lots of different groups twisting the pyramid to their own bias - aliens, astrology, Atlantians, geography, God, Egyptology...

The latitude would be the same, so we only have to figure out the longitude. The longitude of the Great Pyramid is east of Greenwich, so 180^o around the globe would give us a west logitude equal to 180-x. Plugging in the Great Pyramid's longitude of 31^o 9" east gives a longitude of 148^o 51" west, and the latitude is about 30^o north, and this is a point about 1000 miles north-north east of Hawaii.This means that if archeologists were to search the ocean depths at this point, they would find the remains of a lost civilization that provided the means and impetus for all ancient Egyptian accomplishments, including the Great Pyramid. But archeologists don't want their precious preconceptions destroyed, so of course this will never happen. --Percy

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WILLOWTREE, he wants to know if you can agree on where the actual pyramid is located.

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Godfluppindamnit !It is located in the exact center of the worlds land mass. Post 72 gives the coordinates. What more does anyone need ? The content of 72 has a map by link, how is this incorrect ?

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He seems to have missunderstood your post 72 to say that the coordinates given (by your unverified sources) were the exact location of the pyramid. It says that they are off by a bit

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No No No No No No flupping way !There is no misunderstanding - only refusal to recognize the claim posted, which is opponents way of disageeing.The rules of debate are evidence with source. Verification is irrelevant. That is not my duty. Opponents claims are assertions without any source but themselves. Opponents claims are unfluppinverified by the same standard !

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He wants a number that everyone can agree upon is the actual exact location of the pyramid. He will then use this location to see if the claim is correct or not.

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Post 72 has those numbers. Whoever "he" is will not be the arbiter of who is correct.My coordinates have been posted - what is lacking in these numbers ?

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So the blue circle is the claim of YOUR sources. This is what he is going to check up. Are your sources correct or not? Why are you so opposed of him actually testing this?

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The blue circle is opponents CLAIM of where my coordinates actually are.My "sources claim they are correct" - no shit ! Thats why they made the claim and presented it as fact.Where did I say I was opposed ?The blue and the red ARE A FRICKIN MILE APART OR LESS.By my opponents own admission - less than a mile apart. Is he suddenly changing his story/claim ?

Then you are suddenly changing your interpretation of the picture you posted showing the blue and red ?

Thanks for bringing up the assertions issue again. It reminded my that I'm still waiting for an answer to questions raised by one of your bare assertions.Here is a link to the second time I asked you these questions:
http://EvC Forum: PROOF OF GOD -->EvC Forum: PROOF OF GODIf you have been working on an answer, no problem - Just wanted to make sure you didn't forget...Thanks.

And we have already pointed out that that one mile isn't the big problem. You seem to have missed all the rest that is the important part. Tyr reading over what you're told a bit more carefully.There is a longer meridian over 300 miles from either position for the pyramid. That is the real problem for your sources.You have offered nothing to show that any of what the sources claim in true.What is your measurement for the longest land meridian? What is the area of land in each of the quadrants marked by the position of the pyramid? These are just the barest beginnings of back up.(added by edit)Ok, here is the challenge. I say that your sources eyeballed the length of meridians and parallels through the great pyramid and the area of land divided by those meridians and parallels.I say they have no calculations and that their guesses are wrong.All you have to do to refute this is show the calculations that they used to arrive that those assertions of theirs. Go ahead show that I am wrong. It is very easy to do.The other thing you could do is go over the meridian calculations you have been given and show what is wrong with them. That is exactly what I would do in this case. Why haven't you?This message has been edited by NosyNed, 07-01-2004 07:00 PM

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The "mile apart" is the difference in supplied locations for the great pyramid.

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Yes.The blue is supposedly mine according to Lindum.But, it is supposed to be a mile over - the location of the red.My coordinates claim that those coordinates is where the Pyramid sits.

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What Lindum showed you was that over 300 miles west of the great pyramid is a land meridian longer by hundreds of miles than the meridian through the great pyramid.

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Suppose this is true.So what ?The claim is that the Pyramid was built in the center of the world's LAND mass. The map certainly evidences this and it is a professional map unlike your eyeball unrelated maps.You are deliberately reconfiguring the world's land mass so to place the Nile Delta Quadrant to not be in the center. How is my map which becomes the visual of the content of post 72 incorrect ?The Middle East is called "middle" because it is in the middle of the worlds land mass.Lindum originally SAID we are a mile apart.Now he is changing his story because you all have had private email exchanges to convert him to pick up with YOUR longest land meridian claim - a claim that I or my sources did not make.The coordinates of post 72 and the link with the map plainly show the Pyramid in the center. Lindum confirmed a mile descrepancy. NOW the story is changing to hundreds of miles. He even has an obviously disfigured world land mass map posted. He chops the continents to fit his new theory (your old theory).

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Your post 72 and everything else you have supplied does not show the calculations involved.

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Post 72 is empty of coordinates ?What calculations are you talking about ?

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It doesn't even give the length on land that it thinks the pyramid meridian is. So far we have your souces asserting that the pyramid meridian is the longest land meridian without given the method used to detemine that or even the length that they calculated.

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It doesn't CLAIM anything but the center of the world's land mass. It supplies the coordinates and a link displaying those coordinates on a map.My sources are only making ONE claim: Center of the world's land mass.

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Your sources seem to be out by hundreds of miles in both the length of the meridian and where it is located. And we haven't even looked for other ones that may be out there and longer yet.

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Hundreds of miles ?Only if you ignore the claim and its contents.You lack the same thing that you criticized Dark Star for.YOU eyeballed and then immediately asserted victory.We are through until this idiotic redundancy ends.

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Perhaps, if you mean that vandalism allowed the erosion to acclerate. However, if you are stating that no erosion occurred in the centuries prior to vandalism, I'll need some evidence, because that it is a bold assertion.

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It is logical that any stone structure exposed to the weather for centuries will undergo some degree of weather-related damage. Do you disagree?

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All these questions fall into the evidence which I am seeking.It is irrelevant to address any of this until I obtain the volume that evidences exactly how the height was determined.We can speculate ad nauseum.I am trying to get the primary source for the height research.But, technically, it doesn't matter, my source was in Egypt many years and I have posted his claim. The only people who disgaree are liars who deliberately assert the Pyramid to be a height that accounts for a phantom capstone. This is ONLY done to cover and steer clear of 5449.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 07-01-2004 09:29 PM

How confused indeed.From what you posted at 72. (Message 72)

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The north-south axis (31 degrees 9' meridian east Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, ...

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What is that this is NOT true. The land "mass" ( I think it means area) claim has not been calculated. It doesn't appear to be true but neither you nor I know if it is or isn't. I have not seen anything that shows it to be true. It is not clear from looking at the map that it is or is not. You need the way this is measured. I claim they didn't do it. This is not true. This is not true.Your source is quoted above. It does make such a claim. You might not that his calculations and method are differently based than mine. Where are the calculations of your source? Show, in detail, his posts that demonstrate this. You are now way out on a limb. You are, indeed, confused,. His story is regarding the longest land meridian. It has never been any different from his first post on the topic to now. We are not, at the moment, talking about the land "mass" issue. You haven't shown how to calculate that yet. Your source hasn't shown it. I said calculations not co ordinate. Do you mean after all this you still don't know what calculations we are talking about?I refer you to my post:
Message 144Where the rough calculations were done first.and
Message 320Where lindum's results are given.You don't mean you haven't read these do you? From your post 72 Message 72

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The Great Pyramid was placed in the exact center of all the land area of the world. Lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis of the Pyramid divide equally the earth's terrain. The north-south axis (31 degrees 9' meridian east Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis (29 degrees 58'51' north), the longest land parallel.

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Since your source did claim this do you now agree that on that specific it is wrong?(and it is claiming area - not mass) No, i eyeballed and suggested that it is not at all clear that your souce is right. I asked for backup calculations. Since I haven't gotten them and have seen that your source is wrong on another claim made just as strongly I am now declaring victory.You can easily show that I am wrong. Just show the calculations as we have done for the land meridian item.

Once again WILLOWTREE is calling folk liars. And frankly, this childishness is beginning to be annoying. The links posted about the height of the Great Pyramid have ALL shown that the height is NOT 5449 inches. Link to FIVE Different sources for the height of the Great PyramidIt's time for WILLOWTREE to quit calling folk liars and worse.

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