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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.1 |
Not according to Wikipedia Try using a more reliable source. Wikipedia is not the source of all knowledge Tal, and there ARE more accurate places to find it. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Did you read the Wikipedia article at all?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
So you never even read the article. Read it then come back.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Tal
Abiogensis is the study of how life began. As a theist, I would describe it as the study of How GOD did it. The Bible says GOD formed life from dust. That's a shorthand description. Abiogensis is looking at that in somewhat more detail, looking to see which dust particles She used and how IT put them together. It's mostly chemistry and physics, not biology, since there wasn't life until after the event. BUT ... the TOE still has nothing to do with how life started. That is the study called Abiogensis. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
1) Evolution is not about the age of the earth - one detractor.
That's entirely correct. Evolution is not about the age of the earth.
3) The planet started out as a molten mass - another detractor.
How the planet started out and how the cosmos started out, are two quite different matters. Don't confuse them.
What happened to the Big Bang Theory? 4) One man denied that the "3 Rs" are science.
As a university professor (and mathematician), I can assure you that I found nothing disrepectful in that comment. Indeed, mathematics is not a science.
The university professors would not like people talking about their fields of experise in such a disrespectful manner. Without the science of mathematics we would have no computers or Internet.
Nobody is denying the value and importance of mathematics. However, it just so happens that it is not a science.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I'm sorry, I've been misunderstanding Tal all this time.
When he said he was a Creationist, I assumed he meant Biblical creation. But, since he considers things like lightning to me magical, I see that he's a Zeus Creationist. (Titan-ist?) Tal, lightning isn't "magic". And the bunny was in the hat to begin with.
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hoaryhead  Inactive Member |
"Do you think that acting like you know anything about science will work in a place like this?"
I have never in my life said anything as ignorant as, "Mathematics is not a science." If you accept this man, you should accept anyone. What is it about science that yiou do not understand? hoaryhead
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hoaryhead  Inactive Member |
1) While admiting that Isaac Asimov died in 1992; a detractor said things have changed in the last 160 years. WOW!
2) Who is Isaac Isimov?Ph.D in chemistry from Columbia University ... author of over 70 books. Mr. Asimov is generally recognized as one of this country's leading writers in science" - from dust jacket of his book, The Universe. Can you match these qualifications? What is all the harping about men not believing in diseases?Never met a man in my life who did not believe in diseases. You should get a new theme song. hoaryhead
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Nor have I ever in my life said anything as ignorant as, "Mathematics is a science."
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.1 |
2) Who is Isaac Isimov? Ph.D in chemistry from Columbia University ... author of over 70 books. Mr. Asimov is generally recognized as one of this country's leading writers in science" - from dust jacket of his book, The Universe. Did I miss something? What in God's name does Isaac Asimov have to do with anything in this thread? You realize he was primarily a science fiction writer, right? I don't see how he is at all relevant.
Can you match these qualifications? Qualifications are irrelevant. All that matters is the argument. A 10-year-old child can make an argument and be correct - the argument is not affected by its source. As to your other comments: Math is not a science, hoaryhead. Neither is writing or reading. Science includes biochemistry, physics, astronomy, etc. Not math. Science deals in the observation of the natural world, positing an educated guess as to an explanation of the data, and the testing of that hypothesis through the peer review process. Mathematics does not concern experimental observations, theories, or falsifications. Math can be used to conclusively PROVE things - science only deals in finding the most highly accurate representation of the real world possible. Math is used in the persuit of science, but it is an entirely seperate entity. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
far beit from me to agree with this guy, but i'm fairly certain most people classify mathematics with sciences. for instance, at the university, the math department is in a building called "science and engineering" which is next to "physical sciences" which used to occupy the same building.
in the library of congress system, sciences are all Q's, QA is math, QB is cosmology, QC is physics. however, the people around the math department tend to say things like "mathematics is the only true religion."
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
So are you saying Asimov is correct?
There have been lots of scientific changes in last 160 years. How does this make evolution false?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Science includes biochemistry, physics, astronomy, etc. Not math. again, i hate to point this out, but physics is math. calculus, generally creditted to newton, was devised entirely to deal with real world problems, regarding things like falling bodies.
Mathematics does not concern experimental observations, theories, or falsifications. math does indeed deal with theories and falsifications. proof by reduction to absurdity is a good method of falsifaction, for instance.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I would agree that Mathematics is a science. But then again science is a pretty broad term. Here is a place where we truly are arguing semantics.
Hoary - Do not think for a moment this means that your arguments have any merit. This message has been edited by Theodoric, 08-26-2005 06:01 PM
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 497 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
hoaryhead writes:
Well, for one thing, it's my field of study.
What is it about science that yiou do not understand?
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