|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,742 Year: 3,999/9,624 Month: 870/974 Week: 197/286 Day: 4/109 Hour: 0/0 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Can God create another God? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
I asked this question in another thread but nobody could come up with an answer. If God is really omnipotent, could he make another God? I am aware that you belive God is outside our world, where there is no time, but I'm thinking if he's really omnipotent he must be able to create another God. I am not interested if it's immoral or degrading, I want to know what could hinder God, should he decide to create another God.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
It becomes a paradox, because if one God can create another, wouldn't the first God wonder who created him in the first place? I know he's eternal(whatever this silly notion means) but if sees a God in the making, wouldn't he ask this same question of himself?
Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
I think it's high time some of the theists acknowledged that God cannot be omnipotent. And then follow the path of logic and come to the conclusion that God as they see it is impossible. Or else, they'll meet tough questions as:
1. Can God commit suicide(and die)? If he can, and dies in a suicide he would no longer be eternal. If he cannot commit suicide, he couldn't be omnipotent. 2. Can God create another God and the paradox described in my previous post. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Phat writes: God could exist and yet not exist at the same exact point in time. God could be One and yet could be an infinite pantheon No, I don't think so. If God can commit suicide and cease to exist, he cannot keep on existing at the same time. Otherwise, it will mean that he did not really cease to exist at the point of suicide, and therefore the suicide was illusionary. Which, in turn, means that God cannot commit suicide and so is not omnipotent.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Straggler writes: If God is good and all that does is by definition good and righteous then -When God is being retributional, vengeful or jealous is he being "good"? Open MInd writes: Yes. So if god tried to kill your kids, you wouldn't try to protect them? What's more precious to you - your kids or the killing machine named god?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Agobot writes:
So if god tried to kill your kids, you wouldn't try to protect them? What's more precious to you - your kids or the killing machine named god? OpenMInd writes: Think of G-d as a life machine, not a killing machine. Every moment of your life exists because of G-d's will. Therefore, G-d does not have to kill anyone because nobody is alive without the will of G-d. If He stops willing your existence, you will cease to exist. This is not even death. This means you completely disappear. "Tried" is not even a real thing when you are refering to G-d. I had no idea that diseases like leukemia, cancer, HIV and Down's syndrome were human made. I always thought that since they were around for as long as we were, they must have come from our "kid's loving" God. BTW, killing kids is disgusting, appalling and extremely low.
OpenMInd writes: Furthermore, who gave you your children? Who sustains their lives? Your question shows that you have a wrong perspective. I thought that was meant as a kidding but on the second reading I get the impression it's not.I made my daughter in my bedroom, I can assure there were no gods, no Santa Clauses, no Pink Panthers and no Poltergeists as this process took place. As you can probably guess, it's me who pays for everything in my house, I have never won a lottery, I hardly ever win in casinos, so you could rightly claim that god sustains my daughter as much as I sustain financially the holy trinity. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: Just a side question, Is that avatar a picture of you and your wife?Also, why can't I kill your daughter. You made it, I broke it. I will pay you for it or make one for you. Or, better yet, you can always make another one. I see nothing evil. It sounds like business. If you didn't skip classes in school you'd probably be aware that the creatures in my avatar are Australopithecus. They are our predecessors and they are as much relatives of me as they are of you or anyone else(and science has a few skeletons for you to ponder and scratch your head in dismay). Here are more pics of them: File:A.afarensis.jpg - Wikipedia http://www.evcforum.net/Images/Avatars/7101.jpg Regarding your last 2 lines, they just prove how retarded most of the theists are. Funny thing is that the religious usually get the hardest life and the most hardships(that's just an observation on which i'll hardly be able to find a survey) Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: Also, why can't I kill your daughter. You made it, I broke it. I will pay you for it or make one for you. Or, better yet, you can always make another one. I see nothing evil. It sounds like business. How would you kill my daughter when you are shitting your pants just writing about g-d? You can't even spell god correctly because you are so scared of the illusionary Almighty. I suggest you make an explosive belt and blow yourself up in the name of God(oops, sorry i meant G-d). But first make sure there are more illiterate dillusional retards around you. And next time you should spell my daughter "d-ghter" Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
bluejay writes: Omnipotence cannot limit omnipotence because omnipotence can limit omnipotence. In light of his previous posts, i am certain that it's just what OpenMInd meant to say all along. Or in summation: G-d cannot create another G-d because G-d can create another G-d. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
What has never ceased to amaze me is how the religious denounce science but when they suddenly become seriously ill they don't turn to their god(and stay at home expecting god's help) but they turn to hospitals and science. Why the hypocricy? Why don't you let god heal you if you are so certain of the existence of god?
Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
If god cannot do the impossible, he's neither god nor omnipotent. I was always under the impression that religions claimed god could do anything. Wouldn't a god that's limited to being able to do only the possible wonder who has created him? He probably would be looking for a higher god that can do anything and that wouldn't be limited in such a human-like way.
Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: Sorry, you are continuing to show your ignorance of religions. It is written in the Torah that if someone causes another person to become ill, he must pay his "doctor bills." The Torah clearly says that people should go to doctors and not rely on what would be called a miracle. Keep asking, you may learn something.Now a question of equal strength. Why do you go to doctors? If you are sick, why don't you let evolution take its course? Medicine is bad for evolution because it allows the unfit to survive. This is preventing the evolution of humans. We would be a much better species if we would just cut out the medicine. No, you are ignorant of the thesis of evolution. Medicine is not bad for evolution but it is bad for Natural Selection. Thus medicine is not preventing evolution but it's preventing natural selection take its usual path. We, the atheists, don't believe this very imperfect world was created by a god, so we try to help ourselves stay alive for longer through medicine. On the other hand, your desire to use the benefits of our god's will breaking advancements is highly illogical. If your god wants you in heaven and sends you illnesses, why do you oppose god's will and turn to medicine to defy the command of god??Could you give me link of the torah that says that people should go to doctors and not rely on what would be called a miracle?(consider the case when your kids get leukemia - it's not human -transmissible) Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: We would be a much better species if we would just cut out the medicine. We could have quite well died out as did 99% of the species throughout the history of earth if it wasn't for medicine. In fact, we are fighting your god by medicines, trying to outsmart him(and we win in a lot of cases, which is amazing). That is a silent war that we are waging on your god, in which you the "belivers", side with us the atheists by using the benefits of science(medicine). Isn't opposing god's will a sin? So, why the hypocricy? Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: You are demonstrating you lack of knowledge, and your apathetic nature towards religion. I wrote clearly in my post that G-d wants us to go to doctors. In fact, the rule is that only three commandments in the Torah will stand in the way of a life threatening situation. A Jew is supposed to eat pork if that is all he can eat to survive. G-d also does not produce miracles because that would remove the free will to sin. Imagine what your life would be like if G-d sent lightning into every sinner. Would you sin? Imagine what your life would be like if all the good people had good lives and the bad people had bad lives. You would have to be fool to even contemplate sinning. G-d actually cures people through the physics of nature. Also, what makes the scientists think of medicines? Did you hear the story about the discovery of penicillin? If G-d controls the world, then he can heal people by manipulating the brains of the scientists in order to create new cures. Contrary to all other religions, Judaism is completely logical, and there is absolutely no hypocrisy. You have an agenda that blinds you from understanding what I am trying to say. The world was made to allow for sin. If G-d would control the world in a way that seemed completely miraculous, even you would never sin. Furthermore, the world is working in a very miraculous manner as it is. Even if G-d answered every prayer in a miraculous manner, you would develop a scientific reason for why prayer works. G-d does not act in a random manner, and therefore anything you see you will explain in terms of scientific fact. You don't even notice what you are doing with a world that seems completely miraculous to anyone with an open mind. You can theoretically take any act of G-d, no matter how improbable it may be, and explain it in terms of scientific fact. I don't know what to say to this... You seem to be living in another world. Your words above do not relate to reality. They don't even make sense. In any way. They make as much sense as:"The gummy bear wants all to be happy and sends us rain from heaven to bless our souls after reading the holy book of bears. The gummy bear can heal wounds but he clearly says in the holy book that visiting doctors is recommended. A gummy bear is not bound by logic or human constraints, and can do anything within its abilities. Even if a guymmy bear answered every prayer in a miraculous manner, you would develop a scientific reason for why prayer works. The gummy bear does not act in a random manner, and therefore anything you see you will explain in terms of scientific fact. You don't even notice what you are doing with a world that seems completely miraculous to anyone with an open mind. You can theoretically take any act of the Gummy bear, no matter how improbable it may be, and explain it in terms of scientific fact." Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Agobot Member (Idle past 5555 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Huntard writes: If there is an omnipotent god, he can create another one that is just as powerful, if not more powerful then he is. He can then also destroy this more powerful being in the blink of an eye. He can create a being that limits him, he can then also go past those limitations. I guess this makes it very clear. If god is omnipotent, god can do literally ANYTHING. Yes, it's not logical, yes it makes no sense, but that doesn't matter. Omnipotence is not bound by logic. No it doesn't make it clear cause the second more powerful god(HOW SO?) may kill the creator and then commit suicide(being able to to do ANYTHING). This sounds funny but it also sounds somewhat logical given the abscense of evidence for any god now and the absurdity of all other explanations presented so far.There are currently 34 000 religions, maybe it's time I laid the foundations of a new one - about the god that committed suicide and left no evidence, leaving us on Autopilot. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024