Can God create another God?

The way I see it, sure he could. I mean he is omnipotent, I really can't think of any reason why he couldn't.In fact, I think it would be rather fun to watch as an outsider, two gods duking it out! Would be hilarious!

That was my imagination going wild. It would be so funny to see them quarrel over who has the most worshippers, and who is the "actual" god. And it wouldnt be just so much as a fool, to me it's innevitable. If a god created another one just like him, how are his worshippers to know the difference? They wouldn't, so one would claim that that particular sacrifice was for him, and the other would do the same, and so on. Hope that made sense Which is really all I read in this topic, and that's why I answered as I did. If there is an omnipotent god, he can do anything, and thus create another one (or indeed a thousand) just like him.

The problem here is you use logic to limit god. Who says god is limited by logic? He could just as eassilly be illogical and do these things . That it doesn't make sense doesn't matter, as we have no way of determining if god needs to make sense.Look at Rahvin's post upthread, he explains it quite well. Since we know absolutely nothing about god, he can do whatever we imagine him to do. Logic barriers do not apply here.Edited by Huntard, : spellingsEdited by Huntard, : wrong name in quote

We have no way of knowing this now do we? He could wish us all to burn in hell, he could wish us all into paradise, he could not even care what we do. If you believe he loves us, great. If you believe he hates us, while being a bit of a pessimistic worldview, great too. Either could be correct, both could be wrong. We have no way of knowing.Edited by Huntard, : Spellings

And you know this to be absolutely true for god, because?See, the stuff in the bible might not be true, it might all be a lie.We have no way of knowing if it's true, it could be true, but we just don't know. So even though you might claim this for god, it might be the exact opposite.Edited by Huntard, : No reason given.

I'll try to explain my view on this one more time.If there is an omnipotent god, he can create another one that is just as powerful, if not more powerful then he is. He can then also destroy this more powerful being in the blink of an eye. He can create a being that limits him, he can then also go past those limitations.I guess this makes it very clear. If god is omnipotent, god can do literally ANYTHING. Yes, it's not logical, yes it makes no sense, but that doesn't matter. Omnipotence is not bound by logic.Hope this helps

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Because an omnipotent god can do anything, also create a ,ore powerful entity, and then still be more powerful then it. [qs]may kill the creator and then commit suicide(being able to to do ANYTHING). Seems you're getting my point. Logic doesn't apply. Please do, sounds like the most reasonable so far .

The way I see it they are not. An omnipotent being can create something that limits him, it can also ovecome those limitations. I assume you're talking abou the christian god. I'm not, I'm talking about an omnipotent being. If you think you know that your god's not omnipotent, I have no argument with you, I'm not a christian. My point is merely that any being that is omnipotent can do anything at all, logic does not apply

It seems we agree then.

Or they are all wrong. Here's my attempt:There were these rulers see, and they were all going about their business like they always do, ruling their peoples and all that. When suddenly, one of them had a great idea! "What if we got these people more under our control." He said. "Well blimey, that'd be nice wouldn't it" Another one responded. "But how would we go about doing that?" a third asked. "Well, look here" said the first one again "how about, we make up these stories see, about how there's this guy right, and he created everything. We'll call him God, and make him a right bastard, so the people will be scared of him. Then, we tell them that when they don't follow this guys rules, then after they die, they'll be tortured for all eternity. But when they do follow his rules, they'll be happy ever after". "How's that gonna give us any more control?" the second one inquired. The first one sighed and said: "Because WE will make those rules see, and then we write these silly stories for them, and tell them all this is true, and we'll make them all vague and stuff, so we can always interpret them to whatever the situation requires. That should put a lid on any rebellion or anything these dumb peasants want to start. And since we are the only ones who can read or write, they'll just have to take our word for it, or face the wrath of God!" And then they all laughed an evil laugh and were very smug and content with themselves.How's that for a nice little story? And even better, it's plausible. As by my explanation above, these stories served to keep them under control. Tell them that if they don't listen God will come down and kill them can be a rather effective way, especially when you got people who don't understand the slightest thing about the natural world. To us today such stories are completely ridiculous because we understand the natural world quite well, and therefore know a global flood could never have happened.

Without any evidence to support ANY religion, one should expect them all to be wrong. Of course it's not indicated through Judaism, would be a pretty shitty plan if they told them up front they were hoaxing them, now wouldn't it. Really?Deuteronomy 32:22:

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For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest HELL, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

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What's that nasty word Hell doing there then? I never said they should give money, I said this was a system to maintain control over the people. And remember, these people couldn't read or write, so the rulers were pretty much free to tell them anything they wanted, not like they could check. Which is a perfect way of keeping control, simply say that whoever doesn't agree with you is contradicting the Torah, and you win. Again, the normal people couldn't check if their rulers spoke the truth about the Torah. Actually, any farmer knows you shouldn't keep on harvesting and planting crops year in year out. This exhausts the ground and pretty soon all your crops are worthless, so this is actually a very good thing. This of course doesn't mean NO land will be used once every seven years, one could easily set up a rotation system ensuring every year there is a harvest, while still keeping each seperate patch of land empty once every seven years. Since I pointed out the one example you gave is not actually bad for a kingdom, excuse me if I don't take your word for it. Could you give some more examples? First of all, I refuted your "problems".
Second, the next step is obvious, creating the Torah, of course. Most likely this is done by mixing known folk tales with newly invented bits that say what the rulers want them to say. As for how to tie it into Judaism, well, like I said, they used bits of old folk tales believed in by the then Jews, and mixed them up with new bits. They probably heard similar stories from the ancient Sumerians, the epic of Gilgamesh comes to mind. Now, tell them god did this because he was pissed off with people, and the system of control is established. To make it seem this god fellow can do whatever he pleases, but if they follow the Torah, i.e. their rulers' commands, there's still a chance god will rescue them. Well yes, however, by telling them god wiped out the ENTIRE earth, because he was unhappy with creation as a whole, implements a system of social control. Like, when your neighbour does something bad, you tell on him, so that the sin might be caught on time before spreading, and pissing off god enough to wipe out the earth once more. Sceptical? Peasants in the bronze age sceptical? Not about the natural world they're not. These people knew NOTHING about the natural world. Not why it rains, not where the wind comes form, not where thunder and lightning come from, absolutely nothing. As I pointed out, telling it in this way ensured some system of social control. It also shows that god's not afraid of using his powers against you if you piss him off. This is meant to show that god EXPECTS people to behave well. As a further note, there are many ways to wipe out all life on a planet, and since god could literally do anything, promising not to flood the world a second time is not really much of a promise at all, now is it? Because as rulers, they had somewhat more privileges then the commoners, one of them being education. Also, I did not say it was one person coming up with the ENTIRE Torah, it was most likely a whole group of the top rulers, and happened over many generations. I did

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