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Gzus Inactive Member |
The reason why we are not justified in making any decision can be summarised by a simple discussion
1: What do you see?2: I see an apple on the table 1: How do you know that your senses aren’t fooling you? 2: Well, I don’t 1: how do you know you aren’t mad? 2: I don’t 1: how do you know anything? 2: I don’t. 1: then how are you justified in saying there’s an apple on the table 2: I suppose I’m not, but how are you justified in questioning me? 1: I’m not 2: how are we justified in saying anything? 1: we’re not 2: and yet how are we justified in saying that we are not justified in saying anything? 1: we’re not 2: and yet how are we justified in saying ‘how are we justified in saying that we are not justified in saying anything?’ 1: we’re not 2: and yet how are we justified in saying ‘how are we justified in saying that we are not justified in saying that we are not justified in saying anything?’ 1: how are we justified in saying ‘we’re not’? 2: we’re not etc.. x n and yet how are we justified in denying this paradox? And If you come up with an answer to that one, then how are you justified in saying that? And if you come up with an answer to that, then how are you justified in saying that? And etc. You can never win
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Gzus Inactive Member |
quote: How does this prove anything, what if you’re all mad and dillusional? Your argument doesn’t stand. If 100 people see a UFO, how does that prove that there really is one? 1: how do you know you aren’t mad?I maybe, but I'm not blind. > How do you know that your senses aren’t fooling you? How do you know that your senses aren’t fooling you?1: how do you know anything? Learning. >You learn? But how do you know that what you learn is true? What if you’re mad? When you learn, do you learn knowledge? No. you merely interpret your senses which may be fooling you. 1: then how are you justified in saying there’s an apple on the tableI just ate it and I concluded it was a tasty apple that I saw. *Walks away chewing apple* >Again, this assumes that a. you are not mad and b. your senses are not fooling you.
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Gzus Inactive Member |
quote: > Neither can you justify the existence of justification loops [This message has been edited by Gzus, 12-27-2002]
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Gzus Inactive Member |
quote: You have discovered the root of my happiness
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Gzus Inactive Member |
quote: Really? Prove it and i'll believe you, otherwise it's just as valid a claim as 'God has a tail'
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Gzus Inactive Member |
quote: Yes, yes, all very rosy and romantic but the problem is that you have absolutely no proof of it and therefore (although it is designed to provoke certain emotions) there is absolutely no reason why anyone should be forced (i.e. to avoid damnation) to believe it, it's really a very simple argument, 'why should I?'. After all, I could create an equally believable statement by changing the word 'Jesus' to 'Pipo the Clown', or 'Steve O'. Don't you see the crippling weakness in your own faith? [This message has been edited by Gzus, 02-17-2003]
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Gzus Inactive Member |
I dunno, i',m just rocking some foundations here and there
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Gzus Inactive Member |
quote: Sure sounds like it to me!
quote: Prove it!
quote: Again, Prove it! Your words mean nothing to me, they are sensless babble
quote: so it's a history book! So what?
quote: Yeah, well Nostradamus was pretty good at it as well, and i've heard a lot of the same stuff from satanists and fortune tellers i.e. what makes you any different? -that is of course if it isn't all a load of bollocks.
quote: even if this is true (which i think it isn't) i.e. i seriously doubt that the buddhists/hindus/voodoo religions,... were influenced by genesis! firstly how do you distinguish between each of the three mainstream judeo-christian faiths? Can you prove that Genesis wasn't merely a regurgitation of past stories?
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Gzus Inactive Member |
That's the spirit!
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Gzus Inactive Member |
yes, but how do you know that the other people are real? sounds childish but that's what skepticism is all about! the annoying thing is, the skeptics could very well be right.
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