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Author Topic:   What is the Meaning of John 3:16?
Guido Arbia
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Message 77 of 156 (313883)
05-20-2006 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by arachnophilia
03-15-2005 12:23 AM


Re: i'm confused.
so, basically, does it say "...so that whoever believes in [god]..." or "...[jesus] shall have everlasting life" ?

No, because the John 3:18 says,

He that believeth of him is not condemned; but he believeth not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only begotton son of God

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Guido Arbia
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Message 78 of 156 (313885)
05-20-2006 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by jar
03-18-2005 8:28 PM


Re: John 3:16
Jar, you have been taking the condemnation out of context.

KJV: John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh into the light, least his deeb should be reporved.
21 But he that doeth truth commeth to the light, that his deeds may be manifest, that they are wraught in God.

As you can see, it is blatently obvious that Jesus is saying that because man's deeds were evil, they chose not to come into the light, least they be saved.

So, they are not damned because of their deeds. They are damned because they chose not to come into the light. The reason why they chose not to come into the light or be saved is because of their wickedness.

He who does truth choses to come into the light, so they chose to be saved. Now, this does not mean a once wicked sinner won't accept Christ.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. Jesus Christ is the light, or salvation through him is the light. That is the context of this passage. It says that Light came into the world. Jesus Christ is the light that came into the world. Men loved darkness (absence of the light, absence of Jesus Christ) rather than light, BECAUSE their deeds were evil.

So nowehere is it saying that the deeds condemn them to hell. It is saying that they chose not to be saved because of their wicked deeds.


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Guido Arbia
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Message 79 of 156 (313888)
05-20-2006 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by jar
03-16-2005 8:48 PM


Re: Scapegoat
[quote]

All it is saying is that if you do not act, do not behave, as Jesus taught then your behavior is condemned. It's not about profession of faith, or being a Christian, it's about behavior. It ain't what you say, it's what you do.


Wrong.

19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20: For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21: But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The light is Jesus Christ. Man loved darkness rather than light BECAUSE his deeds were evil. Therefore man chose not to be saved because of his wicked deeds. He is not damned to hell because of his deeds. He is damned to hell because he chose not to come into the light.


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Guido Arbia
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Message 81 of 156 (313894)
05-20-2006 12:15 PM
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05-20-2006 12:09 PM


Re: Scapegoat
The idea that GOD would care whether you believed in him or not, or that Jesus would is simply silly. It's as silly as the idea that Jesus death was the sacrifice for our sins.

This is directly contradicted by John 3:16-18.

Even the prophecised say that his death was a sacrifice for our sins.

"He was wounded for our transgressions, BY HIS STRIPES WE WERE HEALED."

It says that if you do evil you hate light.

Correct, if you doeth evil, you hate Jesus Christ which is the light.

It says that men prefered darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.

Correct, because man's deeds were evil they chose not to come into the light which was Jesus Christ. So because man's deeds were evil they chose not to be saved. So it is not the deeds that condemn them, it is their refusal to come into their light.

They are afraid to come into the light because they don't want their deeds exposed.

Like the rest of the New Testament, John 3 is talking about behavior.

No, the New Testiamant talks about behaving because we are saved not the other way around. And every fiber of John 3 talks about salvation through fath is Jesus Christ.

It ain't about what you believe, it's about what you do.

We are justfied through Christ before God's eyes, provided that we accept him of course.

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