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celestialGyoud
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Message 102 of 156 (486171)
10-16-2008 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thugpreacha
03-14-2005 6:10 AM


Parable of the Road and of the Trail
hello Phat,

wrote: 'Lets discuss the meaning and misinterpretations'

the truth of the Hebrew manuscripts of new testament can be seen as having nothing to do with the versions that had been made under the spiritual ministry of the Roman doctrine fides quae creditur,

'How can these things be?' asked Nicodemus.

You are a Judge in Yizrael and don't know these things? -- YHWH’ÓSHUAH replied.

I assure you, by the principles of the Law of the Testimony
one speaks what one knows and testifies to what one has seen and heard,
but you, being a Judge, does not work up a belief on one’s testimony.

If I tell you about things that happen on earth
and you, being a Judge, does not work up a belief on it,
then does the *Torah not require much less belief if I tell you about things of heaven?

* --If the Law of the Testimony--the ToRaH and of the Justice courts of this world do have the directive of not applying belief to the things that happen on earth, then much less do the listeners of the ToRaH have to work up a belief on the things that are of highest value.

Also these parables had been obscured in the translations as having been re-edited and translated under the spiritual ordinances of the Roman doctrine fides quae creditur, so that the ones who love religion and belief-system might have a suppposed light of belief for one to work up or give spiritual credit.

Restored Field

Parable of the Road –– The light is with you in a brief time. Walk on the road in the time you have the light so that darkness doesn't overtake you. The one who walks in the obscurity credits a light, believing there is a road, but doesn't know where he's going. In the time that you have the light, see the road in the light so that you may become first-fruits of light.

Brief time: Immediate time; A type of time that is abbreviated. A time of access in a brief or immediate sequence; mediated.

...believing there is a road –– Synonym: Not seeing the road.

In the Light you’ll find the road. Yhwh—I AM is the Light. In the eternal covenant says: To the Law of the Testimony and if they do not speak according to that instruction there will be no white light for them.

B in Basic English –– ...one walking in the dark has no knowledge of where he is going.

obscurae quae creditur –– ...walks in darkness [in lack of belief] knows not where he goes.

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Parable of the Trail –– Is there not a half day of daylight? A man may go about a half day without falling because he sees the trail in the light. But if a man goes about in the obscure, believing there is a trail, he may have a fall because the daylight does not depend on his will of believing.

Half day: Immediate time; A type of time that is a dividing of time. A time of access that is mediated.

...believing there is a trail –– Synonym: Not seeing the trail.

The daylight does not emerge according to spirit of man’s will of crediting or believing one thing or another.

B in Basic English –– ...he may have a fall because the light is not in him.

obscurae quae creditur –– ...because there is no light [of belief] in him.

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Message 107 of 156 (653042)
02-17-2012 3:58 PM
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03-14-2005 6:10 AM


IN THE LIGHT
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And if you feel that you can’t go on [ a ] just believe [ system ]

when you know that you can’t go wrong,

in the Light you’ll find the road.

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Parable of the Road – The light is with you in a brief time. Walk on the road in the time you have the light so that darkness doesn't overtake you. He that walks in the obscurity, credits a light, believing [there is] a road but doesn't know where he's going. In the time you have the light, see the road in the light so that you may become first-fruit of light.

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Brief time: Immediate time. ½. A sequence of time that is abbreviated.
Access in a brief or Immediate sequence.
… believing there is a road – Synonym: Not seeing the road.
B in Basic English – ...one walking in the dark has no knowledge of where he is going.
Eclipsed quae creditur – ...walks in darkness [in lack of belief] knows not where he goes.

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Parable of the Trail – Is there not a half day of daylight? A man may go about a half day without falling because he sees the trail in the light. But if a man goes about in the obscure, believing there is a trail, he may have a fall because the daylight does not depend on his will of believing.

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Half day: ½. A mediated sequence of time that is a dividing of time.
… believing there is a trail – Synonym: Not seeing the trail.
B in Basic English – ...he may have a fall because the light is not in him.
Eclipsed quae creditur – ...because there is no light [of belief] in him.

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How long will be the overcoming of these wonders?

These wonders will overcome until 1,335

Until a time: phrimmi – 1,000

times: términus – 300

and a dividing Mediatus time: 3,5 – ½.

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Message 123 of 156 (653660)
02-23-2012 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Jon
02-17-2012 4:21 PM


Re: IN THE LIGHT
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Jon writes:

.. What the hell for? ... actually makes sense to you ?

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Friend, what's it that afflicts you ?

There are clues and evidences that belief is of the dragon, the father of the lies--beliefs and specialist on camouflages. For all animals know by instinct that believing is the purpose of every camouflage.

When dogs know that their gate is closed they try to make others believe that it isn't. That's why a ferocious dog would run until he either breaks the chain or his neck just to make the other dogs believe that there's no chain nor fence holding him. For a chained dog has the instinct that the only defense plan left is the believing plan, that is to act as if there was no chain nor gate.

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Laconic field – Having a fides quae creditur – a belief that is credited by the man and potentates from down – a believed merit to salvation for becoming creditor of spiritual credit – not willing to see that after a great debt was pardoned the accounts became cleared up to have no debt nor credit any longer

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Message 125 of 156 (690601)
02-14-2013 2:54 PM
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02-17-2012 4:21 PM


Reversed Writings Vs Vulgate [ gates of hell ]
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Jon,

What if the explanation for the question in the OP
is in the Reversed Writings,

quote:


I -- the word יהוה -- Am come into this world like a candle, in order that those who do not see might see, and those who are firm believers in that they're seeing might keep on choosing to be blind. - Then some believers did ask this question:

– Are we blind too?

– If hearing and seeing the word are not enough for you to see then you are blind twice. And if you admit that you do not see anything when you work up a belief then you would start seeing, but because you say: 'Believing, we see!', that is where your blindness increases.

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א The heaven as you expected ends here. This heaven is unexpected; the separate Word that the eyes did not see is seen and touched not by what comes upon the mind.

ב And who ever will not be born again is a darkness and is not able to see the kingdom that I AM יהוה

How can anyone be born again when he is old? Will he reincarnate going into his mother's womb a second time?

גThat which is born of the flesh is flesh. That is why it’s necessary for one to be born of the light. A person becomes born again when living beyond the time expected for one to live; when retaining the word of immortality hidden from the book of Mosheh: For יהוה formed man to be [ physically ] imperishable.

ד The light [ life energy ] emanates of itself. In him who becomes born again the light is greater than time, thought and realm.

הYou do not marvel when a person does not have ears to retain truth from hearing and seeing whether the word is consistent or not. And that person becomes a profitable route for men of unclean spirit; advantages are taken from a circumstance of gloom and uncertainty by those who have a need of giving credit so that they might say that, believing, they are creditors of merit and salvation.

ו All that requires a belief being worked up is doubtful. And he that believes takes council from himself; he retains no truth from seeing consistency in the word for there is no truth in him.

ז You do not see the wind but you do not have to believe the wind is blowing because the waves of it come to your ears and you hear the voice of its intensity. And the wind goes where it can freely flow; without man saying how it must blow. That’s how a first-fruit of the word יהוה is brought forth to the light.

How can these things be without the man believing?

ח Being a judge in Yisrael don't you inquire to know and ascertain instead of believing? One speaks what one knows and testifies to what one has eye-witnessed, and yet, in the role of a judge, you do not accept a testimony if you have to believe instead of ascertain.

טIf 'believing' isn’t what you do when a witness is being told trivial current things, then does the Justice that remains for ever not require much less belief if I tell you about things of highest value? No man ascends into heaven unless he has retained in him the one who descends from heaven: The word that I AM יהוה that glitters in heaven.

י And as Mosheh lifted up the serpent suspended to a bronze staff in the wilderness so that anyone who saw it lived, for the same reason a lamb was lifted up, so that everyone who saw the light should remain in the light.

ך For the world so loved the god
to the point of giving a first-born son in sacrifice
so that everyone who believed in that love should believe also in the god.

ל On this a lamb is sent; not that the people need someone to die in their place but that they may see that the lamb's life is taken by the light יהוה that glistens My name.

מ Who ever sees the light is not lost any more but anyone that does not see it is still lost; for he does not see that the death has no partake in it. The death does not take the lamb’s life away; it’s delivered into the hands of the light that I AM יהוה

נ You are saved because you do not fight; you do not try to hijack a lamb believing on whether the lamb intercedes for you or not. And this is the perdition of those that believe:

ס The light has come into the world and shines with lightning through the density of clouds, clearing up every uncertainty that in darkness they did not comprehend but they loved the obscurity of beliefs and faiths rather than seeing the light.



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Message 129 of 156 (690976)
02-18-2013 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by kofh2u
02-16-2013 8:27 PM


Reversed Writings Vs Vulgate [ gates of hell ]
quote:
For all who do evil hate the light (of The Truth), and do not come to the light (of The Truth), so that their deeds may not be exposed.

But those who do what is true come to the light (of The Truth), so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in [the] god, (the future unfolding which responds to their actions).'


That's what Versio Vulgata is saying. However, those gates of hell are demoniac because belief has nothing to do with knowledge of the truth.

What if the explanation is in the following reversed writings,

quote:

ע For all who work up a belief hates the *light, and do not come to the light, so that their false need of believe may not be exposed.

* [ the knowledge of the truth dispenses with the need of believe ]

פ But those who search to know the truth come to the light so that it may be clearly seen whether the word is consistent or not, for they are wrought in the light.



Reversed Writings Paraphrased,

quote:

You do not have the word that I AM, neither does the truth enter in you. Because the truth can not be known through believing. You quote the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life by your belief, and their writings testify about Me: the word one has to know in order for one to not experiment death. You search to give credit but I do not receive credit from men. And from you I have the knowledge that you have no truth in you.

When a writing comes with the name that I AM יהוה then you do not listen to the words in it. If another version comes with a man’s name then it will have your approval since it is promising the eternal life in exchange for believing. How is it possible for you to have emunah--fidelity when taking assureness from yourselves instead of desiring only the assureness that comes from the word that I AM?

Put out of your minds the thought that I would be like one that would denounce you and yet silences himself before what he sees, and consents for not making himself heard.

For there is a word that denounces you, and it is the writing of Mosheh on which you put your hopes. If you had heard the words in the book of Mosheh, in regards to what one ought not to do so that a person may live and not experiment death then you would hear Me. Because that is the immortality which requires no belief at all; the immortality that is not after the death of the body but quickens and vivifies the entire body.

And if you do not give ears to the writings of Mosheh about the fact that man was made not to experiment death then why would My words enter in you since you are firm believers in that you were made to die?

There’s no point in you believing that My words could enter in you. For when you work up a belief, you have a desire to do the works of the dragon, the father of the beliefs, since it is not possible for one to deceive anyone without making believe nor is it possible for one to be deceived without believing.

The dragon was made to be a predator and specialist on camouflages to make believe. When he tells a lie he acts according to his own nature of camouflaging; not letting one know what the truth is, for he was not made for the truth to be seen in him.

( * Legion [ Heb. Ravãb; to be many ] has many different truths inside, and not one of them is true since the truth is only one. Men do not kill except for a reason, but for Legion it is plainly natural to kill just to destroy. )

And that’s why you desire to kill and condemn without a reason. Because belief is of the dragon; and you want to carry out the works of the father of the beliefs. Your desire to kill and condemn others to death is expressed by your judgemental speech. When you say that you are saved and have merit to salvation for your belief, at the same time you are saying that those who do not believe are already condemned; that’s the sentence written in the *doors of hell that you read.

Because the salvation you look in those doors for, those who believe will fall upon!

[ * versio vulgata, a mastercopy of bible that was made for those that believe ]

But this is why you do not believe me: because I tell you the truth, and knowledge of the truth cannot be known by belief. For which of you, desiring to put up a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost to be certain if he will have enough to make it complete rather than believe? For fear that if he makes a start and is not able to go on with it to the end, all who see it will be laughing at him, And saying, This person made a start at building, believing he--she would go on with it, and is not able to make it complete.

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Final Conclusion,

The word ‘trust’ shouldn't be used for the Most High because there is no possibility that the Most High is lying or will betray us. We often say, I trust you, to someone and mean that we acknowledge there is a possibility that the person is lying or will betray us but we believe they won't. There is no possibility that the Eternal will lie or cheat, so ‘trust’ has no place in it.

There is no difference in that, if one says ‘do you believe in the Word’ or ‘Is the Word to be believed and credited as true?’, because in both cases the credibility is being questioned since the word ‘believe’ is proper to use for the things that may or may not be truth.

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Brief Summarized Signature
Real life vs too pessimistic archeological-surrealism

As certain as my pet kangoroo rat has always an ace in the sleeve, [ whether 'Die Hard', the kangoroo rat, bluffs or not ], it's only with a timeline that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying, per every 5,000 years interval, that it would be possible for Humanity to have taken 49,000 years to reach 1 million people. If the number of children would always be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval within the rows of 5,000 years from 55,000 years ago then there's still the option of stop thinking by the head of an archeo-surrealist, which equates to stop drifting on numbers as if man is a beast and as if everything that happened in life was a disgrace. – That kind of chronological basis surpasses far beyond Hardy Har Har, a depressed, gloomy pessimistic hyena, always saying, 'Oh dear, oh my, I just know it's all going to go wrong'.


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Message 130 of 156 (691046)
02-19-2013 4:09 PM
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02-18-2012 2:46 PM


Reversed writings Vs Vulgate [ gates of hell ]
The text says that those who do not see the light are still lost. However, Versio Vulgata states its judgemental speech which is proper for believers and those that have chosen to be in darkness.

Because the presence of the light totally dispenses with the need of believe.

To the Law of the Testimony – if they do not speak according to that word then the glittering white light [ as lightning through the clouds of heavens] shall be not for them.

To the law and the testimony – Speaking like a witness – Yes, yes or No, no – ‘Yes I heard’ or ‘No I didn’t’ rather than ‘I believe that I heard – I believe that I saw' – to take the word as something unclear is taking the word as something that requires a strong belief being worked up by who ever has a need to give credit so that he might say that he is saved in exchange for his belief – a word that is not seen nor read would be depending on being credited by spirits of men so that it could shine and be light – like a word in the gloom that is not able to shine in darkness.

To trust or believe is giving credit in or to something which may or may not be truth. One shouldn't be using for the Most High a word that is proper to use for the things that may or may not be truth. Often when we say we trust someone, it often means that we always know there's a possibility that we'll be cheated or lied to but we trust this person not to do so anyway.

quote:

From those who take the road on their way to the conference about the Flood, Reverend Will won't make it in time if it keeps on raining by the east side. You perhaps will have to start the debate without him. The fact is that the Ark of Noah's story never happened. The whole subject that you read in the bible about Noah's Ark is a story that only works as Parable of the Miserability.

Is there anyone of you that being rich, powerful and owner of a variety of new ships, would ever say this to a best friend and his family: 'In order for me to give you a drop to the next unflooded city I can't let you enter in one of my ships, so you better start to build a boat.'

That is what many ministers, reverends and pastors do to anyone that treat them as alleged authorities anointed from above. They are rich, they ask for you to give them your resources, work and money and at the same time, they don't give anyone a drop to the next unflooded city. They travel in a big jet plane but they don't share the riches that were bought with the people's money.

They don't recognize that every person who gives money to a church does automatically have rights of equality over 50% of the respective amount in case of any eventuality; the person who gave the resource is found in lack of food, remedy, clothes and shelter. Whoever gives money to a congregation has the right of transparency specifically in matters of monetary numbers and transferences of currency that are made by the respective legal representative.

They don't really share water, electric light, comfort and shelter, with right of equality, with the people that support them.

If you had made the world; Why would you justify yourself and tell a man to write in a book that you have had regrets for having made the world because things didn't come up as you thought it woud be; and for that reason you would have decided to get rid of it, when you know that it would be so much easier to cause the wicked ones to disappear by erasing their memories from their brain ?

Things are not as they seem to be. See the story of Isaac's sacrifice for example. It only works as a Parable of the Hipocrisy. Because, If a person already knows the thoughts and knows the end from the beginning then why would that person make a Hipocrite statement and tell Abraham this: 'I had to test your loyalty; to know if you would love me above all things ..' The bible was left to you for different reasons. One of them is that some contents are solely parables that were made specifically to intrigue you so that you might start thinking by your own head.
At that moment, those who were at the Conference said:

- If these things were kept hidden in order for us to start thinking by ourselves then why do we need a reverend in the first place?

- Hmmmm ..... I don't know why.


Having a fides quae creditur – a belief that is credited by the man and potentates from down – whoever believes and garantees that one is having merit to salvation for becoming creditor of spiritual credit – not seeing that the accounts can be cleared up to have no debts nor credits any longer.

The type of assureness one gets from believing is a salt without the intensity of what the real salt is, and sooner or later will be casted out. – Certainty [ from the word ] is like salt, if it is not already complete in it, [ or; if it still requires belief ] of what use is it? It is no good for the land nor for the place of waste; no one has a use for it.

All things that do not pertain to the to the books of the Prophets as originally written such as the word ‘baptism’ originated from the Roman terms Vattésimus ( battesimu; augury ) and Vaticynius ( consecration made by a vates through augury or prediction ); and images of doctrines of faiths and things that belong to the mixed translation and terminology that was left in the bible for the exclusive use of the State of Vatican and the Roman ordinations.

quote:
There is only one woman ( church; city; congregation ) that calls herself by the title Mother which is also written on her forehead. Therefore the great Babylon is not about too many women but one Mother church; city or congregation.

On her forehead the title Mother of beliefs and spiritual fornications [type of love dedicated to images of saints] does not reveal who it is unless there is a woman--church which calls herself by the spiritual title Mother, and offers in her rites and masses for the nations a gilded cup of wine, full of the belief that the wine she has drunk is transubstantiated into holy blood.
A Babylonical; great or big in size.

Vaticanus hill is one of the seven hills upon which the city of Rome was built; - A woman sitting upon a scarlet force. Symbolism of the flag of the Vatican's army -- the Swiss cross on a red field ultimately derives from a similar banner of the Roman Empire.

Book of Revelations clears up that the scarlet beast itself is the eighth nation, and is of the seven, for being Rome which in the past was the Roman empire. That is the beast that was and is not. Therefore, literally, there is an eighth nation, State of Vatican – which is of the seven for being of Rome. The scarlet beast or scarlet force that was (a Roman empire) and is not, lives in form of reverenced ordination.

On the day a person comes out of Babylon then (s)he begins to revert the substitutions that had been made to the translations, knowing that these words: Lord, god, elohim, IESVS, JE-SUS ( I–HORSE; Sameq, Vav, Sameq, which is worth three sequential sixes; 60, 6, 60 ), Christus, cross, crucify, baptism and fides; faith ( Roman doctrine fides quae creditur ), had been placed as substitute words for Yhwh, EL ( ELYON ); Yhwh’óshua ( The Word that I AM ), Anointed, tree, suspend, Unction, Emunah; fidelitate; fidelity.


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Brief Summarized Signature – This Laconic unusual inscription might change the ritualistical monotonous way that the signatures have been summarized in these days.

As the official master of non–ceremonious solemnity I’d like to thank you, beforehand, for your possible acceptance of the highly recommended anti-religion procedures of not taking as true what so ever it is believed that the truth is supposed to be, – since the term ‘take as (alike; as if it was)’ means that a comparison is made to a truth that is not known by believing –, as well as renouncing the fides quae creditur ( faiths that are credited by spirits of men, believers and potentates from down ). Also I would like to thank for your patience and perseverance on reading and I hope these explanations will not sound too ceremonious to you.

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Message 132 of 156 (691142)
02-20-2013 4:23 PM
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02-19-2013 10:46 PM


Opere della legge (working of law) Vs Working of Fidelity
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You know that every language is constantly mutating.

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Express more using less words, that is the laconic (summarized) editing system.

Even the 'ye holy buybull' translation you use is in constant mutation. Eg:

quote:


Original order of manuscript: 1st. By the words of Yhwh’óshua - 2nd. let us leave the ritualistical rudiments [ first principles ], – 3rd. not laying again a foundation of penance from dead works, - and – 4th. let us go on unto perfection of fidelitate [ Heb. Emunah ] toward Yhwh, - of the instruction of washings, and of laying up of gathered hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal justice.

Order of the puzzle according to Versio vulgata:Wherefore – 2nd. leaving the first principles [ ritualistical rudiments ] - of - 1st. the words of Yhwh’óshua, - 4th. let us go on unto perfection; - 3rd. not laying again a foundation of penance from dead works, - and - of fidelitate [Heb. emunah] toward Yhwh, of the instruction of washings, and of laying up of gathered hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal justice.

American Standard had been keeping the word 'perfection' where others did get rid of it. Douay-Rheims did not keep the word 'perfection', but has been keeping 'penance' .


Another sample of mutation and mistranslation that was initiated for the Version Vulgata (latin) translation,

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Opere della legge Versus Opere della Fidelitate

The title translates: Working of the law Versus Working of Fidelity,

meaning by which means or manner you do something rather than that which is done. In Ancient Roman language 'opere' (working) is different from 'opera' (work). The word Opere is used to express the manner through which something is done, whether by the working or force of law (when the law is that works and operates in you) or by fidelity only.

Section of Galatians in Roman language – avendo pur nondimeno riconosciuto che l'uomo non è giustificato per le opere della legge ma lo è soltanto per mezzo della fidelitate. Knowing that [ when doing any good work ] a man is not declared righteous by doing it through the working of the law but by the working of fidelity to Yahweh only.

The use of the term per mezzo della fidelitate (through the means or manner of fidelity) indicates that the form of action, by which a man is justified ( declared righteous ) is without constraint: proceeding from natural feeling as a spontaneous gift, without external force; when a person does a good work because of his or her fidelity only. When an action is done for no external influence then he working of the law does not operate since it’s not the force of law that is working in that person whenever something is done.

However, the term opere della legge ( the working of the law ) which expresses a form of action had been gradually translated into works of the law, changing the meaning of the original manuscripts. The message in the words of the original fragments: opere della legge (the working of the law) remains the same and consists in clearing up by which means or manner something is done.

No one will be declared righteous for doing the good works through the working [ or; operation ] of law. There is no justification when the force of law is that operates motivating any action; or when things are done because of a state of subjection and obedience rather than by spontaneous operation of fidelity to Yhwh only. In the mixed versions, wherever the term work(s) appears, the original text says ‘opere’, the working of the law, that is when imposition of law is that operates, as the side opposite to the manner and means of good works done by Emunah ( through operation of fidelity alone ).

In the term 'opere della legge' ( La Nuova Diodati ) operation or opere means the method of working; mode of action; manner of functioning or operating. The term operation of law is not about telling the readers what good works must be brought into effect or not. The message consists that the operation of emunah ( fidelity ) totally dispenses with the need of any type of human ministration, meddler or interposer between you and Yhwh. In the term operation of law the message is not referring to the instruction of the Law but to the means of imposition of law, which implies ministration and supervision of human interposer.
All things are possible to him that does them for Fidelity to יהוה
Versio vulgata – …is possible to him that has fides ( faith that is credited by the man )

If you have אמנהEmunah--Fidelity toיהוה as a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this sycamore-tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea’ and instantly it will obey you.
אמנהFidelity comes by hearing, and hearing the words of I AM יהוה only.

Fidelity is evidence of things that appear not: that from the invisible word that is heard, visible things might be made, for fidelity is by hearing the eternal words only. – If one has a fidelity [ that endures; remains ] like a mustard seed then (s)he walks not by sight, doing the good works not through a system that is in the sight [or supervision] of spiritual interposers, ministers, reverends, pastors, mercenaries of religion and doctrines. The Word אמנהEmunah is present in the New Testament in Hebrew rather than fides.

Fidelitate – Ancient Roman Language. Fidelità – Italian. Fidelitas – Medieval Latin. The size of the seed determines how long it will remain on the earth without being consumed by the birds. It will be consumed. Emunah ( fidelity ) is the word directly related to the mustard seed's duration [ permanence ] since there is no bird bill that can grab the smallest seed. Even so fidelity is evidence of things not seen; walking not by sight, one does the good works spontaneously and unexpectedly, no subjection under the human ministrations of law.
Now that no man is justified by the [imposition of] law in the sight of the ELYON [Most High], is evident: for, the just shall live because of his fidelitate [ Emunah].

Now that no man gets righteousness by the [operation of] law in the eyes of the Most High, is clear; because the righteous shall live because of his fidelity [Heb. Emunah]. Be careful that you don't do your good works before [ the supervision of ] men, to be seen [ supervised ] by them. When the good works are done by fidelity alone, they are done spontaneously; Not by subjection to restraint or control. By emunah all good works are not an action denoting submission under imposition of law.



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Message 133 of 156 (692182)
02-28-2013 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Thugpreacha
02-18-2012 11:36 AM


How to become born again
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(as it was brought up to Jon),

Versio Vulgata says,

Except a man be born of water [ flesh ] and of the Spirit [ Light ], he cannot enter into the kingdom

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Reversed Writings clears up,

How can anyone be born again when he is old? Will he reincarnate going into his mother's womb a second time?

? That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That is why it’s necessary for one to be born of the light. A person becomes born again when living beyond the time expected for one to live; when retaining the word of immortality hidden from the book of Mosheh: For ???? formed man to be [ physically ] imperishable.

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : No reason given.


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