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Author Topic:   What is the Meaning of John 3:16?
johnfolton 
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Message 83 of 156 (381323)
01-30-2007 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Greatest I am
01-30-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Punishment
I would suggest that the use of violence or punishment of any kind shows a failure on the part of the parent to use his or her own intelligence to deal with whatever situation is at hand.

No, Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

The punishment is a measure of your own shame from failure.

No, The punishment is a measure of the Fathers love to the child, for what Father does not discipline his sons.

Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"


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Message 86 of 156 (381620)
01-31-2007 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Greatest I am
01-31-2007 9:12 AM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
"for what Father does not discipline his sons."
There is a big difference between discipline, chastisement and corporeal punishment.

The bible disagree's: Physical discipline trumps Mental Discipline. Its not about corporeal punishment, chastisement but that physical discipline effects mental discipline.

If you get a chance watch the Super Nanny show the time out corner is a physical discipline affects mental discipline. Its considered child abuse by mans knowledge to physically disciple ones child. I'm not a big fan of mental discipline and all parents have without spanking the child is the time out corner.

Mental discipline can end up being, if you be good I'll reward you and well that is whats wrong with mental discipline. Its rewarding the child for being good instead of being good for goodness sake. When you spank the child he learns to be good for goodness sake instead of some mental reward system, etc...

The worlds a hard taskmasker will the retrobates turn back to God and will the Father recieve them back? The prodical son parable.

Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

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Message 88 of 156 (381902)
02-02-2007 11:46 AM
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02-02-2007 9:58 AM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
When we fail we spank. Who then learns the lesson and what is the lesson.

The child learns that they are in charge not the parent. The child learns not to be good for goodness sake but to con the parent for the tip. The child learns the prosperity gospel of greed and not the gospel of the servants heart. The daughter learns not to please her husband because she learned more how to prostitute herself for the tip, etc...

To return to the topic. How do we know that God has only one begotten sun. If He can make one why not more.

kjv Isaiah 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.

kjv Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One the creator of Israel, your King.

kjv Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and ye may know and bellieve me, and understand that I am he; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

kjv Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


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Message 90 of 156 (382054)
02-03-2007 12:02 AM
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02-02-2007 12:22 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
I thought I'd switched but to backpedal and clarify the role playing of the family from a biblical perspective. The man is the head of the house but the wife is to be the agressor. It starts with the wife that she submits to the husband, so the children too submit to his headship. Its not about the father being the childrens buddies but to nurture them in the ways of the LORD.

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Who's supposed to start it? The wives! In Ephesians 6:1 we find,
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. and then in verse 4, Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
What does that mean? God gives the command first to the follower. He says, "I want the wife to do her job first". That means He wants the child to obey the first. That means He wants the child to obey even if the dad is never the right kind of dad. To obey regardless! Now lets look at another example from the Word of God,
Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
and then in verse 9 the masters are exhorted to be good masters. God always puts on the follower the burden of having the initiative and the being aggressive. Wives, you do it first. Children, you do it first. Servants you do it first.

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Message 92 of 156 (382142)
02-03-2007 1:22 PM
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02-03-2007 12:50 PM


Re: Physical Discipline trumps Mental Discipline
The whole of john seems insecure. It says may, and might, words I use when I am not sure of a statement.

I couldn't find inappropriate uses of may or might, etc...Perhaps the bible version your using is not the authorized king james version.


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