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Author Topic:   Opinions and conclusions about Religion and God.
ramoss
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Message 85 of 280 (321487)
06-14-2006 3:04 PM
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06-14-2006 1:17 PM


Re: Not a Problem.
Purple is right. The explaination does not make sense at all.

And it doesn't matter what 1 Corth. says. That is just a book written by a man, translated by man. This whole 'Spiritual discerned' nonsense is just a 'pat on the back' for people to justify themselves to themselves.

There is nothing 'spiritual' about that.


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Message 141 of 280 (322849)
06-18-2006 9:15 AM
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06-16-2006 2:52 AM


Re: Belief through observation of others
I don't consider the 'Crusader for Christ' to be a good source for an organisation (having had personal experiance with their attempt to try to convert me when I was in college).

Why should I accept that their founder would be a reliable source for anything?


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Message 142 of 280 (322850)
06-18-2006 9:21 AM
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06-16-2006 6:03 AM



In the setting you were in I'm not surprised. A noteworthy if notorius former prime minister of ours died a couple of days ago and was laid out in an open coffin. The photo of him showed a set of Rosary beads intertwined around his dead fingers. The headline

At Peace.

I wonder how they know that?


And how do you know that is would not be? Perhaps, it is just a hope, and a comfort for the survivors.

Funerals are not for benefit of the deceased, but rather to comfort those people who are left behind. IMO, part of the rituals are to try to reinforced the beliefs of the survivors, because when someone passes away, that is often when the doubts of the survivors surface and can cause them to 'stray'.

For me, the rituals of the RCC, (or any religion) is meaningless. For others, it gives comfort. It all depends on what you are used to and expect.


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Message 143 of 280 (322852)
06-18-2006 9:24 AM
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06-18-2006 3:34 AM


Re: Belief through observation of others
And you believe the andedotes?

I have personal experiance with the 'Campus Crusaders for Christ' that make me view that entire organisation as very untrustworthy.

Why should I view it's founder as 'trustworthy'?


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Message 147 of 280 (323153)
06-19-2006 8:22 AM
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06-19-2006 3:49 AM


Re: Belief through observation of others
Yes, let us drop Bill Bright from the discussion. After all, it isn't just the tactics of one or two misguided invididuals, but it is the M.O. of the entire organization I am objecting too, and it continues to this day.

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Message 208 of 280 (326421)
06-26-2006 11:13 AM
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06-26-2006 5:35 AM



Who needs psychic powers? I have the Bible haven't I? The God who met me happens to be the same one I subsequently found described in the Bible - and in a way which defies precision. And its power to comment, with self-same precision, on all manner of things to do with man and his nature has only increased the regard with which I hold it.

Of course, you found the god you were looking for in the bible. Every one that looks for 'God' in the bible and finds it finds a different god. I know many christians who 'found' a god in the bible that is totally different than the one that you seem to believe in. That is known as a 'self fullfilling prophecy' in some respects. You found what you expected, just as they found what they expected.

While Larni couldn't make it up.. you could. You made up the god you wanted to find, and you found it. Just as countless others have before you.

That is why many Muslims believe in the Koran. The god they expect is in that set of books. That is why there are so many devote Mormons. They found the god (or something) in the Book of the Mormon.

The same thing with Hindu's and the vedas.


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Message 217 of 280 (326487)
06-26-2006 1:51 PM
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06-26-2006 1:00 PM


You are missing my point.

My point is that the 'god' you were found was the god you expected. Just like the god other people found (that is mutually exclusive iwth your viewpoitn) was the one they found (in what ever scripture they were looking for).

That shows your finding the god you are looking for no big deal. It is just using the holy books to reinforce what you already believed in.


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Message 234 of 280 (326675)
06-26-2006 10:32 PM
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06-26-2006 8:30 PM


Re: Interesting topic
That sounds like a Just wait Till Your Father Gets Home Threat.

But ma, you said he went for milk when I was just a baby, and never came back..


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Message 271 of 280 (327420)
06-29-2006 7:58 AM
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06-29-2006 7:52 AM


Re: Why? Because Jennifer says your worth it
Funny thing about that.

There are many places in the New Testament that talk about BY THEIR WORKS. Doesn't say a thing about 'faith alone'. That 'alone' was added by Martin Luthor. When it was pointed out that it the bible didn't say 'BY faith alone', he retorted' It should have.

Yet, the sheep and the goats are seperated by their works.

And, of course, the Gospel of James is very specific about that.


"Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,' and he was called God's friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone." --James 2:21-24


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Message 278 of 280 (327473)
06-29-2006 11:21 AM
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06-29-2006 10:20 AM


Re: A verse out of water
Well, that is CARM's arguement.

Of course, they are starting with a certain viewpoint.

If I look at Jame's writing alone, I do not get the message that Carm says it says.

It just goes to show that CARM's basic premise that the bible does not contradict itself is wrong.

The Gospel of James has a much more Jewish attitude towards faith and work the Romans. That , actually, gives credulance to the theory that Paul was NOT actually a pharasee.


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