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Author Topic:   Does Creationisim preclude faith?
Rei
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Message 22 of 44 (56141)
09-17-2003 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Shimbabwe
09-17-2003 7:23 PM


Fire breathing crocodiles
Yes, but fire breathing crocodiles are also necessary for a literalist interpretation of the bible.
Jesus spoke in parable to teach people about things they weren't ready to learn. Why wouldn't God?
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Rei
Member (Idle past 7035 days)
Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 37 of 44 (56739)
09-21-2003 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by kevstersmith
09-21-2003 12:59 AM


Hey, Kevster, does your mystery friend have a name? Because, this truly is a miracle! Praise the Lord! You managed to do what virtually noone else has. Remember the organization "Ex-gay"? Remember when this happened:
Ex-Gay Leader Disciplined for Gay Bar Visit | Christianity Today
The head of the group was caught in a gay bar. What the article is kind enough not to mention is how, when he was recognized, he got up and bolted for the door. John has quite a history. Nor does it mention his 1993 Newsweek interview, where he talks about how he's not cured. None of his friends when he was younger were at all surprised when he ended up heading an "ex-gay ministry". He was always overdoing the whole "gay" thing, trying to fit in. His "ex lesbian" wife, Anne, is an even funnier case. When the subject of an article, Newsweek couldn't find a single ex-girlfriend of Anne. When asked, Anne couldn't give the name of a single one, either. When pressed on the issue, she stated that her relationships "were more emotional than sexual." In interviews with her friends in her youth, they all described her as being straight.
You mention Exodus International. Do you remember back in 1979 when founding members Bussee and Cooper left the organization, and had a homosexual committment ceremony? Want another organization? Try Homosexuals Anonymous. Colin Cook, their former head, was expelled for multiple sexual encounters (and at his later organization, FaithQuest). Desert Stream even had a case involving a minor. And let's not even get into Michael Johnston, the other major poster boy of ex-gay, who'se HIV positive, and this year had unprotected sex with multiple male partners.
Do you have any clue how many local groups have disbanded, either because of scandals or the members just collectively gave up? There have been dozens. Name a state, I can probably give you a group that's disbanded.
Of course, far worse than these ministries are the "camps" that minors sometimes get sent to by their families to try and "cure" them... I really don't want to get into this one, because the cousin of a good friend of mine was sent to one of those... I'll just say, what they did there really f***ed him up badly...
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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