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jar
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Message 16 of 27 (279087)
01-15-2006 12:15 AM
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01-15-2006 12:09 AM


We are not part of nature beyond the physical state of being, can you see past the physical state of being?
No, of course not. Can you? If so, is it purple?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ReverendDG
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Message 17 of 27 (279095)
01-15-2006 2:14 AM
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01-15-2006 12:09 AM


from your first post, all i read was the typical, "man is better than everything else because they have a soul" junk
being that unless you can detect a soul, i don't see why saying what you said is meaningful

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Funkaloyd
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Message 18 of 27 (279096)
01-15-2006 2:44 AM
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01-15-2006 12:07 AM


prophex writes:
Is there an afterlife? If there is, then we must have what is called a soul.
Every one of us? What of other creatures?

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joshua221 
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Message 19 of 27 (279146)
01-15-2006 12:13 PM
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01-15-2006 12:15 AM


Feel, Know is there. Recognize. See.

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joshua221 
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Message 20 of 27 (279147)
01-15-2006 12:14 PM
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01-15-2006 2:44 AM


They are for us.

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jar
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Message 21 of 27 (279148)
01-15-2006 12:15 PM
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01-15-2006 12:13 PM


No, not really. I beleive that you believe it's there, but knowning it is something else entirely.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Chiroptera
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Message 22 of 27 (279182)
01-15-2006 3:33 PM
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01-15-2006 12:07 AM


quote:
Is there an afterlife? If there is, then we must have what is called a soul.
Not necessarily. One of the Enlightenment philosophers (I believe that it was Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan, but I'm too lazy to look it up to make sure) believed that humans were completely material, and that the afterlife would consist of God resurrecting the physical body. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a shared belief by other thinkers at that time.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Hangdawg13
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Message 23 of 27 (279418)
01-16-2006 11:50 AM
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01-14-2006 11:09 PM


Re: Asking about a soul is a waste of time and energy and is totally unimportant.
If souls do not exist then we just try to live the best life we can.
If souls do exist then we just try to live the best life we can.
Not necessarily.
So why worry or even ask whether or not they exist?
Because knowledge has power to change us. If you suddenly become privy to the fact that there is a bomb on your bus, you might behave differently (say get off the bus) than if you did not know this. In the same way, if you know that your being continues its existance after death in the form of a soul, you also might begin to act differently.

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jar
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Message 24 of 27 (279423)
01-16-2006 11:59 AM
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01-16-2006 11:50 AM


Re: Asking about a soul is a waste of time and energy and is totally unimportant.
In the same way, if you know that your being continues its existance after death in the form of a soul, you also might begin to act differently.
Ah, the old fear of punishment incentive.
First, if there is a soul, we cannot know it for sure. We can believe it, even believe it strongly, but we cannot know that there is a soul.
When it comes to GOD, or souls, or IPUs, we are in the realm of faith & belief, not in the realm of something that can be known.
To use your analogy, if you believe there is a bomb on the bus, you may rush to get away and trample others in your fear, even if you are mistaken about the bomb.
In the end, it comes down to behavior. If you love GOD and love others as you love yourself, the afterlife if it exists will be taken care of.
It really is as simple as that.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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DeclinetoState
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Message 25 of 27 (279551)
01-16-2006 7:31 PM
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01-14-2006 5:21 PM


Soul vs. spirit
The word "soul" refers not only to the immaterial part of man but the material part as well. Unlike man having a "spirit," man is a soul. In its most basic sense the word "soul" means "life." However, the Bible moves beyond "life" and into many areas.
What is the difference between the soul and spirit of man?
Some say that the spirit and the soul are the same thing. I've heard Billy Graham, for instance, say as much.
Others, such as the Got Questions.org site quoted above, maintain that body + spirit = soul. Each of us has a "spirit" but is a "soul." I tend to agree with that interpretation, but there may be yet other understandings that can be defended from the Bible:
"For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12
According to the MacGregor Ministries (basing their understanding on the above passage):
The soul is NOT the body, nor the spirit, but is everything else these two are not.
I tend to believe the spirit is "both . . . and" rather than "neither . . . nor."

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Heathen
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Message 26 of 27 (279560)
01-16-2006 8:36 PM
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01-16-2006 7:31 PM


Re: Soul vs. spirit
I've heard Billy Graham, for instance, say as much.
Does that make it any more/less likely/true? does he have insider knowledge?
I tend to agree with that interpretation
I think the use of the word 'prefer' rather than 'agree'is more suited to this statement, any belief in afterlife or souls..is just that, belief not knowledge. Can you 'agree' with something which is faith, not fact? it doesn't seem to fit in my view. I can not 'agree' that one day I will win the lottery no matter how much I wish or believe I will.
Can you 'agree' with something that can't be known.
(although I see you used the phrase "tend to believe" later in ths post
on the topic of animals having souls:
Do the xian folk on here believe a person's soul is perceptable? for example, when someone says "he's a kind soul" or somesuch statement, is it fair to say that we are getting a genuine insight into a persons soul by knowing them personally?
what I'm aiming for here is, Is the personality indicative of the soul?
I known many animals (non-human) who have had the most well defined and striking personalities, thus I would consider them as likely to be in possession of a 'soul' as any human..

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DeclinetoState
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Message 27 of 27 (279692)
01-17-2006 2:44 PM
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01-16-2006 8:36 PM


Re: Soul vs. spirit
I think the use of the word 'prefer' rather than 'agree'is more suited to this statement, any belief in afterlife or souls..is just that, belief not knowledge.
I was agreeing with someone else's statement, not agreeing with a belief. Therefore, agree, not prefer, was the correct word choice here.
As for the comment about what Billy Graham has said, I did not say or imply that I thought he was right; I was merely pointing out that Graham, who happens to be an influential religious leader or teacher (at least in some circles) believed a certain thing. I made no comment on whether or not he was correct; in fact, if you read my entire post, you would see that I do not agree with him on this matter. Nevertheless, the fact that he has been preaching to millions of people for many years means that his opinions (or beliefs, if you prefer), right or wrong, must be given some weight.

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