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Author Topic:   Faith by Definition
ringo
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Message 54 of 149 (432517)
11-06-2007 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by christiansoldier
11-06-2007 12:08 AM


Re: Hebrews 11
christiansoldier writes:
I don't know if anyone still has their ears on regarding this thread....
Maybe not, but let's see if we can raise it from the dead.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Substance is from the Greek hupostasis: setting under or essence, assurance, confidence.
Good point. Faith refers to "assurance" or "confidence" - not at all to what we, in modern English, would call "substance".
quote:
1. that of which a thing consists; physical matter or material: form and substance.
2. a species of matter of definite chemical composition: a chalky substance.
Too many Christians put faith on the same level as evidence.
Welcome to EvC. You'll find a lot of discussion here about the kind of rubbish your website is full of.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place”
-- Joseph Goebbels
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ringo
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Message 121 of 149 (436177)
11-24-2007 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by iano
11-24-2007 3:18 PM


Re: iano still dances.
iano writes:
After experiencing the divine I have a measure against which to examine subsequents.
So you're saying that you must be Napoleon because you're wearing Napoleon's hat.
Naturally, delusions are going to feed themselves. Delusions can certainly be self-consistent.
The question is: How do you test the initial experience?

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 141 of 149 (436295)
11-24-2007 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by iano
11-24-2007 8:58 PM


Re: You still have not answered the question
iano writes:
Can you imagine the sheer waste of time if everyone went around devising tests to find out whether what they know to be the case is the case.
Of course, sane people do test what they (think they) know every day.
Sane people don't blythely say, "I know my brakes work." At the first sign of a possible malfunction, they get somebody else to test them. Refusing to test or to even consider the need for testing is an invitation to disaster.
The greater the risk, the greater the need for testing. Why take the chance that your revelations are delusion? Is your faith so weak that you're afraid to test it?

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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