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Author Topic:   Judging one another, in scripture and in general
mike the wiz
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Message 18 of 63 (324275)
06-21-2006 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Faith
06-21-2006 3:12 AM


Re: the subtle difference
Arach's scripture quote writes:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Faith, I think you're totally wrong. You've baked some bizarre interpretation so that you can personally go on judging others. I advise that you don't judge others.
Judging others is a disgusting sin. It is also a completely irrational and insecure characteristic. Knowing information, and therefore judging a circumstance correctly because things are at stake, is not the same as general nasty spiteful guesses about people.
Judging other people is clearly against the scriptures, and Christ's message to people in general.
There is plenty of evidence in the scriptures that determining whether or not someone is a true Christian is definitely the right thing to do.
Knowing people by their fruit and being cautious isn't the same as judging people in general, and saying nasty things about them, because you personally have wild irrational guesses about them. You cannot know if they truly are Christian, so how can it be a righteouss judgement?
And your comment about God knowing it is sin in their heart has nothing to do with what the point was. The point was that you don't know if the person is sinful or not, or repentant or not, or has some unforeseable inexplicable circumstances only he and God know about.
I have always rememered what a homeless man said to me once; "thanks for not judging me". If I had thought nasty things in my heart about him such as, "you drunk, get a job, get a home", then 1. I would have judged him even though I am sinful and don't even know the man,(Arach's scripture quote) and 2. I wouldn't have helped him. Therefore such judgements cause me to sin, and not help someone God commands to help.
God, who is righteouss, is the one who frees the sinner despite his sin, yet the fellow-servant, who has many sins, judges the sinner. (Think about this sentence a lot)
People in general, aren't law enforcers, so Christ can not have been talking about physical judgement, as the scripture is a warning to all. (this is a logical deduction)
"Thou hypocrite" indicates a linguistic situation, aswell as, "how wilt thou say to thy brother".

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mike the wiz
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Message 22 of 63 (324304)
06-21-2006 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Faith
06-21-2006 9:36 AM


Re: the subtle difference
This rant is a neat way of not answering the refutations of your points, I have just made.
I directly addressed your claims.
Ad hominem satements such as, "Please learn how to read. And think.", and, "Somebody with that degree of complete disconnect with a person's words ought to be disqualified from a thread", do not consitute a rebuttal.
You don't make any distinctions in the meanings of words
Ahaha. Are you saying that people at EvC don't use the definition of "judging" I have used? I'm afraid your own definition is not the one the populas use. But please, enlighten us all, afterall, you're the one making claims about what it means.
I suggest the burden is on you, to prove that judging others in general, is what Christ said we should do or even hinted at, of which I have seen no evidence for, in the least, but Arachnophilia did provide evidence to the contrary which I expounded on. As far as I can see, you've ignored my logical inferences pertaining to the linguistics behind Arach's scripture quote.
Would the following judgements/amusements/"insert any word", be fine, according to your theology?
" She's a slut that one is, look at how she dresses. "
" He's no Christian, because he believes in evolution. "
" She will burn in hell because she is an atheist. "
" He's not a true Christian, because he didn't favour Binny Henn's dress sense ".
Did you or did you not say;
Faith writes:
maintain that the familiar view of judging one another is not scriptural, though it is often preached with a great deal of heat, and that in fact what Jesus meant by His exhortation against judging others was simply that we are not to condemn others for their sins.
Faith writes:
I want the topic to be broad enough to include anybody's thoughts on judging or judgment in general rather than strictly on a scriptural basis,
What do you mean by "condemn"? Definition please.
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mike the wiz
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Message 23 of 63 (324317)
06-21-2006 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by iano
06-21-2006 9:39 AM


Re: the subtle difference
I concede this point.
I apologize for I perhaps did judge Faith's actions in that I was shocked that anyone would defend judging, and thought that that could be the only end for her means.
Unlike many people, I am not at all bothered by admitting to being wrong.
I should have worded that better, it did come out as judgemental, sorry. I would do better to practice what I preach, ofcourse, and I'll make a note of that.

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