Can Creationists Show Evolution Never Happened?

BurntDaisy, you are correct in that our current state of knowledge does not allow us to say how life arose on earth. Therefore you are certainly entitled to hold whatever belief you wish about that.However, isn't this yet another case of God of the gaps? This is when there is some gap in our knowledge of the natural world. A believer then suggests the answer "God did it". The theological danger to this is that gaps close. If you observe what has happened historically you find the "God did it" explanation going away as we learn more. This is theologically dangerous ground.The more theologically sophisticated accept that God is responsible for our natural world but that his involvment doesn't stoop to tingering with it here and there. In this view God was able to create a universe that allowed for life to arise when the conditions were right. His structuring of the laws of that universe were such that not only could living things arise but also self-aware (God like?) living things could arise.The topic of this thread is "evolution" not the origin of life. That we know a lot about. There is no gap there to squeeze a god into.You say you are a "creationist". However you should be careful of that term. When it is not qualified it tends to mean someone who is a biblical literalists. A "fundie" for short. These folk claim a 6,000 year old earth, a global flood and that everything is wrong with most of modern science. These "gaps" have already been closed.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 02-09-2004]

Then you have no right what so ever on the validity of the statments science makes. You actually have to know what you are talking about before you can start to critize. This depends on what you mean by all of "prove", "without a doubt" and both "creation" and "evolution".It is entirly possible to demonstrate that a YEC creation scenario is false (or you have to believe in a God as prankster). That is easier than proving something 'absolutely true'. That, by itself, doesn't prove any alternative true, of course.See the "evolution as fact and theory" thread to understand that evolution as "fact" is provable beyond any reasonable doubt. The "how" part is less "provable" but is clearly correct beyond any reasonable doubt also. Believing in God (of some types) is not an issue of science. So you are right it isn't something that genetics or astronomy disproves or proves.He did give us a mind and a lot of evidence for us to figure out how he did things. The current scientific consensus in biology, geology and physics is in no way a "fad". Only a deep ignorance could possible lead someone to think that for a minute.

Then you have no right what so ever on the validity of the statments science makes. You actually have to know what you are talking about before you can start to critize. This depends on what you mean by all of "prove", "without a doubt" and both "creation" and "evolution".It is entirly possible to demonstrate that a YEC creation scenario is false (or you have to believe in a God as prankster). That is easier than proving something 'absolutely true'. That, by itself, doesn't prove any alternative true, of course.See the "evolution as fact and theory" thread to understand that evolution as "fact" is provable beyond any reasonable doubt. The "how" part is less "provable" but is clearly correct beyond any reasonable doubt also. Believing in God (of some types) is not an issue of science. So you are right it isn't something that genetics or astronomy disproves or proves.He did give us a mind and a lot of evidence for us to figure out how he did things. The current scientific consensus in biology, geology and physics is in no way a "fad". Only a deep ignorance could possible lead someone to think that for a minute.